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RichardL7 (Colorado)
Posts: 105
Posted:
Condominium Declaration of May 21, 1982

Referencing the following section of our Condominium Declaration (and it has
not been changed –this was verified) My question is??? Can the board or
management company --modify, Change or otherwise alter the exterior of our
units as when first constructed. Year 1982) with out owner authorization. The word Substantially may not give a clear perspective of Section 19 and
the meaning. Note the following section on Restoration.

Section 19. Reservation for Access - Maintenance, Repair and Emergencies:

The Association shall have the irrevocable right to have access to each Unit
and garage space from time to time during reasonable hours as may be
necessary for the maintenance, repair or replacement of any of the Common
elements therein, or at any time for making emergency repairs therein
necessary to prevent damage to the General or Limited common Elements or
to another Unit ( or garage space ). Damage to the interior or any part of a
Condominium Unit ( or garage space). Resulting from the maintenance,
repair, emergency repair or replacement of any of the common elements, or
as a result of emergency repairs within another unit At the instance of the
Accociation, shall be a Common Expense of all of the Owners. No
diminution or abatement of Common Expense assessments shall be claimed
or allowed for inconvenience or from action taken to comply with any law,
ordinance or order of a governmental authority. Restoration of the damaged
improvements shall be substantially the same as the condition in which they
existed prior to the damage. Notwithstanding the foregoing, If any such
damage is the result of the carelessness or negligence of any Owner or his
Guests, then such Owner shall be soley responsible for the costs and
expense of repairing such damage.

JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi Richard:

My first concern would be why do you want to circumvent the owners approving?

Per CCIOA the documents shall contain the following:

38-33-106. Condominium bylaws - contents - exemptions.

(3) The bylaws shall contain or provide for at least the following:

(k) The maintenance, repair, replacement, and improvement of the general and limited common elements and payments therefor, including a statement of whether or not such work requires prior approval of the unit owners' association or corporation when it would involve a large expense or exceed a certain amount;

From this section from your documents that you posted:

Restoration of the damaged improvements shall be substantially the same as the condition in which they existed prior to the damage.

While it is mainly discussing restoration the word “substantially” would be similar to “virtually the same as existing”. It would in essence be a change which is important in terms of value, degree, amount, or extent.
RichardL7 (Colorado)
Posts: 105
Posted:
Thank you for your comeback. No I don't wish to circumvent the owners approving at all, but I
feel the board and M.C. did, but the problem is that the Board and M.C. Have replaced our
roof’s ( 4 units out of 66) with shingles and we had beautiful tile roof’s.

This exposed a 6 inch area where no siding is evident and a sloppy job of patching with metal.
Removed all the fences around the lawns with promised upgrading, 8 years and not a thing has
been done. Trust me we have extensive lawn damage now and the looks is just terrible. Parking
area’s look like 5 years after people ( History Channel story) They did spray tar as a covering and
I do mean spray with liquid tar but we have 10 to 14 Inch gaps running over the area. Bottom
line is they do just what they want despite the regulations or laws and when a complaint is made,
I’m ridiculed, chastise and being retired and have time to read the laws. What you are being told
is the truth and I have lived in my unit 20 Years. Apathy in our unit’s is at a alarming state and
the Association is in bad shape.

I just feel that they need to be held accountable and they are not. I did feel that the explanation
you stated is correct and replacement and repair as originally design is clear and undeniable. Just
wanted to be sure. Meeting on the 17th and we will see what is done.
Again my thanks. Some times a little help is needed. Your good people.
Richard.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hmmm … If I had tile roof (pretty expensive and beautiful) and it was replaced with something else I would be furious (LOL .. I love tile roofs). Generally tile is long lasting and they potentially would have only needed to replace a few broken tiles periodically. Therefore, why was the entire roof replaced?

CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Hi RichardL. Sounds like serious problems at your HOA. I am sorry. Are your reserves underfunded and that's why the board is not adhering to your documents?

How many are on your board? How often does the board hold open meetings? You mention apathy, but do you think you can get a group of owners together to attend a meeting so that you're not on your own?

Also look at your MC contract. There might be a clause that states that the MC may not follow directions from the board that oppose your governing documents. Ours has such a clause.
RichardL7 (Colorado)
Posts: 105
Posted:
I have attempted and succeeded in talking to people, in fact 8 in our area alone. A lot of talk but
no action. I receive all type’s of reasons, Age, they don’t like the H.O.A. or M.C.-- work load, or
work at nights. You name it
and they said it. As for the Tile roof, the HOA & M.C. stated they could not match the tile,
and of all things to costly. Yes they made that decision also.

Now this I can tell you and I have tested my theory many times. I have read the laws and Etc. and
told the M.C. the section they were neglecting or refuse to comply with, such as giving a business
address and not a P.O. box number-- as the M.C works out of his home and I have no idea where
he lives, also sections of the governing documents that have not been enforced or acted on. I
have found at least 9 of the Association bylaws and 6 of the CCIOA document regulation in
violation. As to why the roofs were replaced, you would need to see my pictures to believe it,
but in short seriously damaged roofs from broken cotton wood trees that have dead limbs. I have
been told they must be removed, but when?? Also they used Inferior work crews. Four (4)
times
they attempted to repair the roof with of all things, silicone rubber, well is was the clear type- I
have over 85 picks of that. Also All type of problems from the cotton wood leaves blocking the
gutters and not
cleaned out to no preventive maintenance scheduling. Sorry to say it goes on and on and on.

As for board members we have at last word 3 of 5 and only one lady has a head on her shoulders
and knows what going on. The other two are belligerent and self centered and it took a lot of
time for me to believe that, but now I do after all this time. OK, long letter but perhaps this will
at last put thing into perspective, a short story.

On December 22 reported sump pump going on every 15 Minutes at about 5 gallons each time.
Reported and no response. 5 days later I called and the HOA helper came and found no problem.
I call the water company and they sent out a service man. Found the neighbors water heater
pressure valve failed and water was going in the sump pump. Bottom line and fact, it took three
weeks to have this all done at a loss of 15 Gallons of water each hour. Add that up, I did. The
city worker stated our water bill will be a little high.
Sorry for the long explanation, hard to give info in short note’s.
Thanks to all of you for you time.
Richard.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi Richard:

If the roof was destroyed due to trees falling on them did the insurance not cover? If so then what happened with the insurance money? Also, with tile you will not exactly 100% match but it can be somewhat darn close. Especially if it is only 4 roofs out of 66 then I potentially would want my tile roof back which is what I initially paid for when purchased, paid assessments to maintain/replace, and therefore expect. Have you requested and reviewed the HOA financial data?

Any correspondence I would recommend sending via mail “Certified Return Receipt” so that you have potential proof regarding any issues. This also will put them on notice that the correspondence is being tracked.

Do the owners in the buildings with the 4 replaced roofs feel the same way?
RichardL7 (Colorado)
Posts: 105
Posted:
As they say, you have hit the nail on the head. Insurance? That is a question I have yet to this day. Where did the insurance money go. I think I have the answer but just can’t prove it.

After receiving the insurance money they attempted repairs 4 times by ( fly
by night ) companies using unskilled workers and down right lousy work...
Provisions in the Laws prohibit me from addressing any of the workers or
managers. But the managers and workers did address ME. Give them water
or a soda, -- a sandwich if they want it, something to cover them self with if it rains, and that I did. then they start to talk. I did not need to ask, it just came out and to my surprise the owners or managers of the company talked to me.
I’m sure you can guess who the workers were and they were not
authorized in our country, and YES they said so and so did one of the
managers. The HOA made shortcuts 4 times and burned up the money,
thinking they could save some. It did not work. It came around and bit them
and now they are stuck with the results.

As for the roof and the owners next door, If the roof does not leak, all is
find, I question if tar paper was put on the roof how they would feel.
Answer, if the HOA did it, It must be OK.

Yes, I’m angry as #!#$% but I will not respond to anger, that will result in losing the battle. HOA on the 17th. Must close, need to be out of town for a few day.
My thanks, and god speed in all you do.
Richard.
PS, I trust you know just how important you Web sight Is. Keep up the
good work. You all are good people.
Richard

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