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SusanW8 (Florida)
Posts: 15
Posted:
Our HOA did not have a quorum at the Annual Meeting. We had 7 members. Three resigned. Four stayed on. At the next meeting the Board appointed three members to fill the vacancies. There was no notice of their going to fill the seats. They selected like minded folks, against a prior written disapproval by several homeowners who caught wind of it by accident. I have read many of the threads and I understand that in many communities they are allowed to do this under Statute 720. However, our Bylaws state: "Any vacancy occurring on the Board of Directors shall be filled by the Members in accordance with Articles of Incorporation and these Bylaws." It is my understanding that 720.306 states that Boards may only appoint vacancy if Bylaws don't say different. Our Bylaws do.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Are you sure that does means a "vacancy' as a result of a resignation? I have never heard of the general membership having a meeting to fill mid-term vacancies.

At election time, ALL positions are "vacant.'

They are filled by the election process.

SusanW8 (Florida)
Posts: 15
Posted:
Susan from Michigan:
It is under the heading "Vacancy" .... It would be difficult to assume this only meant at the Annual Meeting...which we didn't technically have because there was not a quorum. It is the very first sentence with nothing stating it applies only annually.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Carolyn,

Your discussion is very similar to this thread.

Since most Associations are incorporated as nonprofits, I will respond with this expectation.

If you did not have a quorum, then per FL 617.0806 (scroll down) would apply which specifies that the Director will continue to serve unless they resign. Per your posting 3 resigned leaving vacancies on the board.

Per FL 617.0809 (same link provided above), "the vacancy may be filled only by members of that class, chapter, unit, or group, or by a majority of the directors then in office elected by such class, chapter, unit, or group." In other words, per FL law, its the option of the Board to determine how the vacancy will be filled (by the members or by the board).

Now, since your bylaws specify that vacancies shall be filled by the membership, your documents might be the controlling document. I say might because it is not clear from your posting if the Bylaws are specifying filling vacancies due to end of term (i.e. elections) or if they are specifying any vacancy (i.e. resignation).

If you are willing, can you provide that entire section of the Bylaws?

Tim

SusanW8 (Florida)
Posts: 15
Posted:
Tim,
I have readi conflicting statements regarding lack of quorum. Many posts imply they needed to call for another election.

As for the Vacancy issue... Our Bylaws say "Any" vacancy...."shall"....

I agree this appears not the norm for HOA which is why it has become such a hot topic in our community with many folks feeling this was purposely placed in our Bylaws to protect homeowners from Board stacking....and staying for life...
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
from Roberts Rule of Order: Absence of Quorum (summarized) The only action that should have taken place at that meeting would have been to fix the time to which to adjourn, recess, or take measures to obtain a quourm.

Your documents SHOULD outline the process for the adjourned meeting and for establishing a quorum for that meeting.

Like I said before - either get together and demand another meeting OR put up with this board until the time comes for the next annual meeting. It sounds like they are NOT going to take action on it.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Susan,

First let me apologize for not using your name.

Based on what your posting, I would tend to agree. However, without reading that section of the Bylaws and see the context it's written into I can only say that it might apply and it might not.

SusanW8 (Florida)
Posts: 15
Posted:
Tim,
I would post all of our Bylaws if I could...but it would mean typing them all out myself. I posted the Bylaw regarding Vacancy...as it seems so clear, concise, and not really open for debate... It is the first sentence undere the heading of Vacancy....it states "Any" and the word " shall".....

Many of our homeowners are considering collectively hiring an attorney....and we know one who already has met with one and obtained a conflicting opinion from our Board's.... We didn't want to take it down the lawsuit road...We had hoped our Board would have done the right thing...We begged them to reconsider ...Sad...In truth....many of them would have had our vote had they not decided to become these total power freaks.... Sadly, none of them have a firm grasp on our Bylaws...and are ineffective on many other levels. We have a Board of seven...and not a single one has been elected...how is that American?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Susan,

For the purpose of discussion, lets go with what you are posting and the Bylaws specify members shall vote to fill any vacancies.

Per FL617.0809, the law gives the option to the Board. That section also does not defer to the governing documents. Therefore, I can see how there can be two conflicting interpretations.

1) The law plainly makes allows the board to chose how to fill the vacancy and since the law doesn't defer to the Bylaws - this section is the controlling document.

OR

2) The law makes it an option of the Board. The Bylaws remove that option by requiring membership vote. There is no conflict between the two because the Bylaws are only clarifying which option the Board is to use.

However, looking at FL720.306 9(c), that statute plainly defers to the governing documents when it specifies:

"Unless otherwise provided in the bylaws, any vacancy occurring on the board before the expiration of a term may be filled by an affirmative vote of the majority of the remaining directors, . . ."

Therefore, if this issue was brought into arbitration, I suspect that the Bylaws would be ruled the controlling document.

Since your Board appears to be in disagreement with the interpretation, to challenge the Boards interpretation, someone within the membership would need to file for legal action. This will cost time, energy and money. Additionally, there are always unintended consequences with any action.

Hope this helps.

Tim
SusanW8 (Florida)
Posts: 15
Posted:
Thanks so much!
For me, personally, I do not feel it necessary to go into arbitration. I cannot say the others feel the same. My intent was only to bring it to the attention of the Board and our community. My hope is the Board will clean up their act now knowing there are a few folks watching. Yes, the additional consequence of that has been being labeled a "troublemaker" by the Board and unknown supporters (since they haven't been elected). Never realized how low people can get when you question their authority...they went right to name calling and trying to silence through intimidation. Luckily I have a pretty thick skin Again, thank you!
PeterD3 (Florida)
Posts: 708
Posted:
IF you have 51% community support you can recall the Directors very easily.
SimoneT (Florida)
Posts: 116
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TimB4 on 03/05/2012 2:00 PM
Carolyn,

Your discussion is very similar to this thread.

Since most Associations are incorporated as nonprofits, I will respond with this expectation.

If you did not have a quorum, then per FL 617.0806 (scroll down) would apply which specifies that the Director will continue to serve unless they resign. Per your posting 3 resigned leaving vacancies on the board.

Per FL 617.0809 (same link provided above), "the vacancy may be filled only by members of that class, chapter, unit, or group, or by a majority of the directors then in office elected by such class, chapter, unit, or group." In other words, per FL law, its the option of the Board to determine how the vacancy will be filled (by the members or by the board).

Now, since your bylaws specify that vacancies shall be filled by the membership, your documents might be the controlling document. I say might because it is not clear from your posting if the Bylaws are specifying filling vacancies due to end of term (i.e. elections) or if they are specifying any vacancy (i.e. resignation).

If you are willing, can you provide that entire section of the Bylaws?

Tim


Hello TimB:

I don't know if Caroline is following this thread. Maybe this should go on hers? It looks like she falls under this, like I do?:

FLORIDA STATUTES CHAPTER 720
former FS. 617.301 - .312

Selected Sections of Chapter 720 of the Florida Statutes
Chapter 617 of the Florida Statues deals with Corporations Not For Profit.
These are the sections that address Homeowners Associations.

Thank you so much for your reply.

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