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LizH3 (Florida)
Posts: 12
Posted:
In our HOA(624 members) in Florida, our president gave our executive director(ED)a 10% salary increase, a 10% bonus, and an additional $1K bonus last week. The personnel committee chair was given a copy of the letter by the president stating these payments, after it was given to the executive director. The personnel committee was blindsided, and has brought this to the attention of the board, and views this as a violation of the duties and responsibility of the personnel committee. President says he had no choice, and needed to give the ED his raise and bonus as he believes he is doing a great job. The personnel committee has collected performance evaluations that are contrary to the president's view, and was in the process of presenting the ED review & salary/bonus. Basically, the president trumped what the Personnel committee was going to present.
QUESTION: If the board (of 16) by majority vote endorses the action of the president, does that set precendent for future presidents to make unilateral decisions that have financial implications?
FredS7 (Arizona)
Posts: 927
Posted:
If you mean precedent in the legal sense, I believe the answer is no.

If you mean in the sense that things like this are likely to happen again, then yes. This seems to me like a case for considering removal of the president, or maybe at the least some sort of censure.

You probably can't get the bonus back, but the salary increase can be reversed. (It might not be a good idea, but you could do it).
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
LIZ

The first question should be what authority does the President have to do such? He might well have such authority.

The 2nd question is what was done within the rights of the BOD?

Are you suggesting they (President and/or) the BOD did not have the power to do so?

Also keep in mind that committees not outlined/empowered by the association documents generally serve at the discretion/will of the BOD. Afterall the BOD, not the committees were elected to operate things.

SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
The president needs to explain what he means by "he had no choioce."

This raise might be in the contract - but the "bonus"??? - that's suspicious.

The board needs to handle this ASAP. It's going to be embarassing to retract this action, but the president had no right to make these kinds of decsions UNLESS he can show he has that power.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,060
Posted:
Liz,

If the President has the authority to set salaries and bonuses, then there is no wrong doing.

If the President did not have this authority, then one of the two needs to happen:

1) The President's actions are considered an "action without a meeting" but still requires written approval of the entire board for it to be valid.

2) The President exceeded their authority and the following needs to occur:

a) President is removed from Office (not from the Board as that would require membership approval)
b) New President is appointed
c) Certified letter needs to be sent to the executive director stating that the President acted without authority from the Board and the raises/bonuses would not be honored.

You need to read your governing documents to determine if the President had the positional authority to do what they did.

Tim
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
If the personnel Committee was board-authorized to make recommendations about the ED's salary and bonus(es), then it seems to me that president should have waited for your report. Unless I'm missing something, s/he should not have gone around the committee that was board appointed, given a charter, etc.

Are you on the committee, Liz? On the board?
PeterD3 (Florida)
Posts: 708
Posted:
The ED is an employee and not a member then???
LizH3 (Florida)
Posts: 12
Posted:
Thank you all for your insightful feedback. The president has said he has the power to make decisions without Board consent. He had opportunity to share this with the board at a Jan 18 meeting. He gave the Executive Director his letter with salary increase/bonus on Feb 6. At no time did he share this with the board. He has also gifted a retiring an employee last year with a $2K cruise - again his unilateral decision. Many of us on the board feel pbligated to force his resignation, as we do not want to be liable for his willful misconduct.
Yesterday, the president called for a Special Meeting on Monday. Any documents to be discussed at the meeting must be submitted by tomorrow. No hands outs will be allowed out the meeting. So basically he has orchestrated once again complete control. Plus he is the only one with authority to contact our legal firm, which he has on speed dial, and relies on them to spin his actions as completely legal.
LizH3 (Florida)
Posts: 12
Posted:
Correct, the Executive Director is a staff member and not a board member. He currently makes $88K a year + 90% paid medical + bonus and apparently whatever the president decides to grant him.
The president claims he needed to take action because the personnel chair had not completed the performance evaluations.
LizH3 (Florida)
Posts: 12
Posted:
The duties and responsibilities of the personnel chair/committee clearly states it is responsible for performance evaluation, salary increase/bonus recommendations. I can understand if the personnel committee was remiss in their duties, but clearly was not. Performance eveluation (PE) of the Executive Director was in progress, but the president wanted only PE's to be filled out by the 3 board members he selected. The personnel committee wanted a wider reach, and gave the names of additional members to provide a PE. the president didn't like that, as the additional PE's were not all positive. So rather than wait for the personnel committee's recommendation, he went ahead and gave a 10% increase, + 10% bonus, + an extra $1K for 'going above and beyond'.
LizH3 (Florida)
Posts: 12
Posted:
....and yes, I am on the Master board, and recently approved by the board to be on the personnel committee (after the president's action).
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Do your governing documents, Liz, state that the prez has the power to make the decisions that he says he has? Ours, and I think many others state that the board makes such decisions.

Are there enough directors in favor of throwing him out of office so that you can accomplish that? Do your docs give the board authority to remove an officer from her/his officer position (ours do)? You are correct to be concerned that the board may be liable for his unwise actions. If you don't have a majority to remove him form office, you (all) want to be on record as disapproving his actions if, indeed, he doesn't have the authority to take them.

Take a close look at your documents to see what's permissible in your case.

What is the topic of the Special Meeting called for Monday (2/27?)? In Cali, Special Meetings must have a topic and other business may not be discussed. Is it an executive session or a meeting that members may attend?

LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
If a quorum of directors does not show up at the special meeting then no business can be conducted. I would not let this guy dictate what the BOD does; it's supposed to be the other way around.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By LizH3 on 02/25/2012 5:28 AM
Plus he is the only one with authority to contact our legal firm, which he has on speed dial, and relies on them to spin his actions as completely legal.

A majority of the board should sign a letter informing the attorney that your HOA no longer requires his services and will pay none of his bills in the future. Then find another attorney. BTW, just who gave your president the exclusive access to the attorney?

LizH3 (Florida)
Posts: 12
Posted:
There are 16 of us on the board; 7 in favor or pres (incl pres) 4 against the pres, and 5 on the fence.
The Special Meeting topic is Alleged Unauthorized Salary Increase, and Alleged Governance and Related Matters. The meeting is open to all homeowners and there will be many in attedance to observe the discussion. But you are right, it is important for those not in favor be on record,due to any future backlash for the president's action. It's such a mess, and if the president would step down, we would be able to resolve and more forward. But he is stubborn and continues to do what he thinks is right vs. what is best for the community.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,060
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By LizH3 on 02/26/2012 5:08 AM
There are 16 of us on the board; 7 in favor or pres (incl pres) 4 against the pres, and 5 on the fence.

A Board member should never be for or against an individual or an individuals office.
A Board member should look at the facts of the issue, research and look up applicable laws or authority, weigh the pros and cons of the issue and then make a decision, based on that information, for what they believe is in the best interest of the Association and it's membership.
Sometimes, this requires a board member to vote opposite of their personal wants.

SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Seems pretty cut and dried for me.

At this meeting, simply state the actions of the president, THEN ask him to cite the source of his power to do such actions.

If he has acted outside (or above) his authority, then you can request his resignation right then and there.

Since this is somewhat of a disciplinary meeting about him, someone else should lead the meeting. Motion to establish a chair right from the start.

CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Liz wrote: "The Special Meeting topic is Alleged Unauthorized Salary Increase, and Alleged Governance and Related Matters."

Is there a word missing before or after "governance," Liz? If not, please tell me what "Alleged Governance means.

In Calif., the board could (should?) discuss the president's alleged unauthorized salary increase in executive session because it's a personnel matter.

I (and others, it seems) would agree with Susan that the prez MUST cite a source in your governing documents, which gives him, and not the board, authority to give raises, bonuses, etc. If he cannot cite a source, your board should vote him out of the office of president. He would still be a director.

(Larry, our docs give our president exclusive access to our HOA attorney. If a director has a question for the attorney, the director must ask the president for permission. Phone calls are at no cost.)
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Say, Liz, what happened at Monday's Special Meeting?
LizH3 (Florida)
Posts: 12
Posted:
Yesterday's meeting highlights: The motion to censure president did not pass. There were a few board members who said this would leak to the press and this would be a complete disaster through the real estate agent network and negatively affect home sales......
I mean really - the scare tactics are still alive and well.
Other felt he didn't steal the money, so he's OK
We did decide as a board that duties, responsibilities and restrictions have to be in writing, crystal clear and not open to scrutiny.
One thing that was interesting that came up regarding the executive director (employee) of our HOA (he's been on board for almost 2 years)is that the previous ed would never have permitted this to be passed and kept the board members in line and informed of do's and don'ts.
It became clear our ed (and president of the board) in incompetent in his understanding of how to manage an HOA.
Thanks to everyone for all their advice and support.....
I'm sure I'll be back with another soap opera, though I hope not!
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
So Liz, soap opera or not, is the bottom line answer that the majority of the BOD believe he operated within his jurisdiction?

LizH3 (Florida)
Posts: 12
Posted:
The president has a group of board members, that say 'he should have handled it differently' but is not bad enough to recall or censure him.....the damage is done, and cannot be reversed. The group of us that wanted him out of office are now wondering what more damage can he do in his 6 remaining weeks in office before the changing of the guard.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Liz

While I am not the Grand Inquisitor, I did ask a question that could have been answered YES or NO. Even with your explanation, you did not answer yes or no.

Judge, I ask the witness answer yes or no...LOL

Your reply makes me believe you want him out of that position be he right or wrong, thus he can do nothing right in your eyes. Am I right or wrong? Yes or no...LOL

Come out here and say I want to "hang" someone, and while you might get a few questions why you want to hang them, many out here can tell you exactly/properly how to hang someone.

Where I in your position, be you right or wrong, I suggest waiting the 6 weeks and see what happens, including those that disagree with you get to continue in control.

MartinH2 (Florida)
Posts: 24
Posted:
LizH3:
Take a long hard look at this issue.

The board apparently is made up of a majority of bobble head dolls.
Start today to enlist people in your community who will run for board slots in the next election.

It may take a year or two but in the end you need to elect a board who will observe the Docs to the letter.

The greatest problem with Condo and HOA Boards is that we are all amateurs.
So, only by carefully following the existing Docs will anything good get done.

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