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CraigM2 (Ohio)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Our community is in Ohio, and the developer created the HOA with no provisions for amending the declarations or bylaws.

Last year, Ohio passed the Planned Communities Act, which has the following language about amendments:

Unless otherwise specified in the declaration or bylaws, the owners may amend the declaration and bylaws by the consent of seventy-five per cent of the owners, either in writing or in a meeting called for that purpose. No amendment to the declaration or bylaws is effective until filed in the office of the county recorder.

Our question, which doesn't seem to be addressed is, what is the 75% based on? Is it 75% of all home owners? 75% of home owners eligible to vote? Or as the law states "a meeting called for this purpose"... if a meeting is properly called and residents informed, is the 75% based on people who vote at the meeting?

The challenge we're facing is we have many homes in foreclosure, and many homes with owners who never respond to anything the HOA sends out, and only a tiny percentage of residents come to the annual meeting. So it seems impossible to get 75% of all homes to vote.

We can elect directors for the HOA with whoever comes to the meeting, (usually a dozen or so people out of 450+ homes) so it seems to me that if its legal to elect directors, it should be legal to modify the bylaws.

Any ideas or other interpretations of this?

-Craig

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
By-laws are not typically filed documents. Convenants and Restrictions are. (CC&R's). They are filed in your local county records department and are considered public. Your Incorporation documents are filed at the STATE level and are also public documents. By-laws are often mixed with the CC&R's and confused.

By-laws are more of the fill in the blanks of the CC&R's and can sometimes be changed simply by including that change in the meeting notes/established published rules voted on by the board. They are more fluid to change than CC&R's. CC&R's are what the owner's feet are tied to. They can required more percentage of votes of the owner's to change. Ours was 90% while the by laws and incorporation was 75%.

These documents may require a "Special meeting" for the required vote to be made. Which as you can see truly is impossible. The solution is that 2 documents can be signed. 1 for the vote. The 2nd for giving up the right to cast your vote at the special meeting. I would recommend having a lawyer draft these documents for your HOA. It worked for us to get our votes.

You may consider creating a committee to update/modify the documents to change things all at one time. Change the new documents to require 51% instead of the 75%. Remove the references to the developer if they are still in there. Change the two voting system if it's still in there. Just make changes for technology and other items the HOA may feel more comfortablee with following.

You need a lawyer and one experienced in contractual law NOT Real Estate. It's best to work a few things out amongst yourselves in a committee before depending on a lawyer to do it for you. It's your oportunity to make the rules for you NOT what the developer wanted which was profit...There are other older posts I'd recommend you read on here regarding your issue. It is discussed pretty often here.

Former HOA President
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
CraigM, I believe it would require 75% of ALL units to amend the CC&R and the Bylaws. The first amendment of each document should include (or only be) the provision for amending the document, e.g., 50%+1 of ALL OWNERS to amend the CC&Rs and 2/3 of the MEMBERS in good standing who vote at a duly called members meeting to amend the Bylaws.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi Craig:

Welcome to HOATalk.

Per the language:

Unless otherwise specified in the declaration or bylaws, the owners may amend the declaration and bylaws by the consent of seventy-five per cent of the owners, either in writing or in a meeting called for that purpose. No amendment to the declaration or bylaws is effective until filed in the office of the county recorder.

Also, because you stated that nothing is stated regarding amendments in your governing documents then the State Statute would supersede. It would be 75% of all homeowners to amend. It is made difficult to accomplish for a reason because the declaration is attached to everyone’s property and can affect the marketability of their property.

It can be done but might take individuals willing to put forth the effort and some leg work knocking on doors getting ballots filled out following proper voting procedures in your documents and/or state statutes.
FredS7 (Arizona)
Posts: 927
Posted:
> by the consent of seventy-five per cent of the owners

That text, if quoted correctly, would mean 75% of all owners. "Owners" is not qualified in any way in that text.

(I am not a lawyer)
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By FredS7 on 02/22/2012 12:09 PM
> by the consent of seventy-five per cent of the owners

That text, if quoted correctly, would mean 75% of all owners. "Owners" is not qualified in any way in that text.

(I am not a lawyer)


In Ohio that definition would be: http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/5312

Chapter 5312: OHIO PLANNED COMMUNITY LAW
5312.01 Definitions.

(K) “Owner” means a person who owns a lot in a planned community. “Owner” does not include any person that has an interest in a lot solely as security for an obligation.

CraigM2 (Ohio)
Posts: 5
Posted:
The other problem is that while the HOA has existed for several years, since we've never had the power to change anything, most gave up on it. They figure there is no sense in meeting or voting since nothing can happen. We've sent multiple mailings, put info on the website and have went door to door a few times and handed people the info to vote, and we're barely above 10% response. Everyone feels so disenfranchised by the whole thing, we will never get 75% of the vote for anything. I understand it shouldn't be a simple process that just causes things to get changed all the time, but there has to be a possibility for change.

I think we'll have to pursue the route of notifying everyone and getting the lawyer to draft some language to basically say, if you do not return a paper ballot, or show at the meeting, then your vote doesn't count.

JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By CraigM2 on 02/22/2012 12:57 PM
I think we'll have to pursue the route of notifying everyone and getting the lawyer to draft some language to basically say, if you do not return a paper ballot, or show at the meeting, then your vote doesn't count.


Hmmm … You can try but I do not believe that will be legal. You must have at least 75% of all owners stating yes to any change period end. If you do not have that percentage then you can be sued … my money would be on the owners who sued.

Instead I would focus on the method you have for voting. What do your documents state regarding members casting votes?

One thought is to send out a newsletter regarding what possibly needs changed so everyone can review ahead of time and be aware of any issues and recommended changes. Then depending on voting per your governing documents … can individuals knock on a door and have the ballot immediately completed or can they get a proxy to cast the ballot for the individual, etc.? We need the info for both proxies and ballots from your governing documents to maybe come up with some ideas.
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
...consent of seventy-five per cent of the owners...


if you have 201 properties, you need 201 X 0.75 = 150.75 -> 151 after rounding UP affirmative votes in order to ammend CCRs .... quorum is not an issue .... eligibility to vote based on assessments is not an issue .... 75% PERIOD

(an abstention or failure to vote counts as a NAY)

CAVEAT EMPTOR
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Most wording I am familiar with says that X% must vote, not that X% must vote in favor of.

Let us say that 200 are eligible to vote thus the required 75% is 150 or more voting. If 51% vote yes (could be as few as 76 voting yes out of the 150) then yes is the answer.

Thus 76 out of the 200 (or 36%) controlled it as they, the actual voters not those eligible (registered to vote) voted.

Of course, I could be wrong.

JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi JohnC:

It is due to the words in the statute “by the consent of seventy-five per cent of the owners”.

The OP has 450+ homes so 450 x 75% = 337.5. Therefore 338+ owners must consent to any amendment of the declaration.

When it comes to amending the Declaration or Bylaws everyone is eligible to vote. An HOA should not affect an owner’s property title without them voting. Eligibility comes into play as a general rule with regard to voting for board or being able to utilize HOA common area facilities such as pool, clubhouse, etc.
CraigM2 (Ohio)
Posts: 5
Posted:
I think the eligibility part is what we have to work with.... since we've went so long with people wanting things that they can't have, no one wants to do anything with the HOA. So I think what we may end up doing is giving folks a lot of notice... like 90 days or so, spell out the proposed amendments, and give them a paper ballot or allow them to vote at a meeting or 2. But with the inclusion of language that says, to be eligible to vote for this item, your vote must be received or done at the meeting as of a certain date. Mail it out 2-3 times, email it, whatever it takes.

I'm all for protecting people's right to vote however they see fit. But our HOA is going down the tubes fast, with no participation in anything. And if you are given 90 days to review something and won't spend 5 minutes to vote via mail or email, even with multiple notifications, then in my opinion, you lose your right to complain.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Craig:

Important fact is you potentially do not have any eligibility part to work with and homeowners do not lose their right to vote on any change to CCR’s. Again, please let us know what is stated in your documents regarding proxies and voting? If you provide this information then we can maybe help you come up with a plan you need to accomplish your task.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Craig,

CC&R's and bylaws normally have different requirements for amending.

As most others have stated above, you will need 75% of all owners to agree to an amendment. I don't know any more about Ohio law than what you have posted, but that may not mean you have to hold an election. If someone circulates a proposed amendment and obtains approvals from 75% of the owners then you can record the results. If there are no time limits in either the law or the CC&R's themselves, a person who starts today may plug away at it for years. Any owner can circulate a proposed amendment with or without the blessings of the BOD.

Bylaws are a different matter entirely. Depending on Ohio law, the CC&R's, and the articles of incorporation for your association, your BOD might be able to amend the bylaws without a member vote. Even if you are required to obtain membership approval for bylaw amendments, a simple majority of a quorum should suffice.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi Larry:

By-laws are not a different matter in Ohio. The OP stated there is nothing in his governing document regarding amendments. Based on the state statute

5312.05 Amendments to declaration or bylaws.

(A) Unless otherwise specified in the declaration or bylaws, the owners may amend the declaration and bylaws by the consent of seventy-five per cent of the owners, either in writing or in a meeting called for that purpose. No amendment to the declaration or bylaws is effective until filed in the office of the county recorder.

In Ohio based on the plain language of the statute and because nothing was per the OP specified in the declaration or by-laws then the state statute would come into play as the governing document. The statute does not allow simple majority of a quorum but demands 75% of owners (unless otherwise specified in the declaration or bylaws) and which was not contained in these documents per the poster.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi Craig:

I am concerned due to your state statute that your board does not try to ramrod a change without proper approval. Keep in mind that the board more than likely has a fiduciary duty to insure that proper procedures and the appropriate laws are followed. In some instances if you check your D&O Insurance they will not cover a fiduciary violation which can make a board member personally responsible for their actions.

I am not an attorney; however, based on your state statute if I was a member of your HOA and you did not follow the state statute then I could sue not only the HOA but possibly the board members directly for their total disregard of the law and violation of their fiduciary duty. The last thing I would want to happen is for an HOA or any board member (I have to assume from your comments you are a board member) to end up in a total mess.

Lets try to find a method for the association to achieve their goals and avoid potential legal litigation.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Janet

If there are no voting guidelines in the OP's HOA then if OH laws apply:

"""Unless otherwise specified in the declaration or bylaws, the owners may amend the declaration and bylaws by the consent of seventy-five per cent of the owners, either in writing or in a meeting called for that purpose. No amendment to the declaration or bylaws is effective until filed in the office of the county recorder.""""

It would seem to me that the consent of 75% of owners in writing could mean that people could go around collecting "signatures and/or votes" to make it happen with no time fram for such. They do not need to have a voting meeting per se.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
In one HOA I was a member of, we changed the 75% to 66% of course we did have to get 75% to vote for it. It took about 6 months of active work to gather enough proxies and have enough show up at the meeting to achieve such, but it was done.

Most felt that 66% was still sufficient to safeguard against any "funny business".

JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnC46 on 02/23/2012 5:40 AM

It would seem to me that the consent of 75% of owners in writing could mean that people could go around collecting "signatures and/or votes" to make it happen with no time frame for such. They do not need to have a voting meeting per se.

That possibly is an option, but need to insure the voting method requirements in governing documents are not violated.

Nothing would demoralize the OP more than to not follow carefully everything, spend a lot of time trying to collect votes for 450+ homes, then have it all blow up because of some minor snafu. Those who act in haste and not pay attention to details can lose in the end.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JanetB2 on 02/23/2012 9:09 AM
Posted By JohnC46 on 02/23/2012 5:40 AM

It would seem to me that the consent of 75% of owners in writing could mean that people could go around collecting "signatures and/or votes" to make it happen with no time frame for such. They do not need to have a voting meeting per se.

That possibly is an option, but need to insure the voting method requirements in governing documents are not violated.

Nothing would demoralize the OP more than to not follow carefully everything, spend a lot of time trying to collect votes for 450+ homes, then have it all blow up because of some minor snafu. Those who act in haste and not pay attention to details can lose in the end.

“The owners may amend the declaration and bylaws by the consent of seventy-five per cent of the owners, either in writing or in a meeting called for that purpose.”

This passage implies that an election is not required and that a written instrument is a valid alternative to a meeting where a vote is taken.
CraigM2 (Ohio)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Our bylaws/code of regs require 67% for changing.

The primary thing most folks want changed is the ability to have sheds/storage buildings on our property. But it's in our declarations document that says there are not to be any sheds. The declarations document has no language regarding amendments. So presumably, the only thing we have to go on is the 75% clause added by the recent state law.

I am not on the board currently, but have been active with the HOA for several years. Our elections are coming up soon, and I am considering running if I can find a legal and proper way to get amendments done. But with our past efforts of mailings and going door to door turning in a very low number of votes, I was trying to determine what others have done when faced with this situation.

While I understand that modifying declarations is a major thing that all should have a chance to review, there should be something to handle those who just don't care. If a person is given enough notice and advised that a vote is required by a certain date, and they choose not to vote, then their vote should not be counted.

But aside from that point, when counting homes that are eligible to vote, assuming you exclude those who are not current on dues or have violations, what do you do with foreclosed homes that are bank owned and don't have a real individual owner?

JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi Craig:

The state statute starts out with:

Unless otherwise specified in the declaration or bylaws …

If your Bylaws state 67% then potentially that would be the percentage you would use instead of the 75%.

If an owner chooses not to vote, then their potential vote would be counted as a NO.

For CCR amendments you cannot exclude anyone. If bank owned you can attempt to get their participation because they are the real individual owner; otherwise, hopefully there are only a handful and will be counted in the NO percentage of votes.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Craig

Early on you said there was no wording in your documents for changing thus sending us down the OH law route.

Then you come out and say it states 67% in your documents.

You also keep searching for ways around this.

If you do not do it properly you might just open a can of worms worse then what is presently open.

If unable to get people to vote for something/someone it might just mean the people do not what is being offered even if the offeree thinks their ideas are best for all.

Is it only apathy when people do not vote or are the people saying leave it alone?

Of course, I could be wrong.

CraigM2 (Ohio)
Posts: 5
Posted:
My apologies, I didn't explain it clearly and it went thru multiple posts.

Our bylaws state that they (the bylaws) can be modified with 67% of the vote.

Our declarations are a separate document. The only amendment language in that document was for the original real estate developer, which is no longer involved. They had language to allow them to change or modify anything with no approvals or votes, but there is no language at all regarding the HOA making changes to the declarations, that's where the state law comes in.

Our real challenge is apathy/frustration. Every single person I've talked with says they want sheds. All of our garages are rather small. But when it comes to voting, no one says no, or not change, they just don't respond. Even when folks walked door to door and handed out ballots, we even allowed folks to email their vote and we got around 10% response. There were a couple no votes of what was returned, but I think most have lost hope that anything is capable of being changed in the HOA.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Craig,

You need to find something the members are passionate about.

If most of the people want sheds, Propose an amendment to the documents to allow sheds of x size. When the people come out to vote on that amendment, other amendments can be on the ballot.

Better yet, form a committee of homeowners to rewrite the documents and propose a draft rewrite to the Board. This involves the membership and the documents can be amended to make future amendments easier (or harder).

Remember that % of votes cast, % of eligible votes and % of members can all give different numbers for what is required to adopt an amendment.

Example:

100 members, 90 eligible to vote (not delinquent in assessments), 50 show up to vote, 45 yea 5 nay.

51% of votes cast = 26 yea votes needed to adopt - measure passes
51% of eligible votes = 46 yea votes needed - measure fails
51% of the membership = 51 yea votes needed - measure fails

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Craig

The tough love question is are you the one wanting changes?

When only 10% responded you say they are apathetic/accepting, but some might say they do not agree with what you are trying to do. Even when you "think" it is for their own good.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By CraigM2 on 02/23/2012 3:39 PM

The only amendment language in that document was for the original real estate developer, which is no longer involved. They had language to allow them to change or modify anything with no approvals or votes, but there is no language at all regarding the HOA making changes to the declarations, that's where the state law comes in.

Are you willing to provide that exact language?

LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
It is easier to amend my state constitution than to amend my CC&R's. To amend the state constitution, we need only a majority of the voters who turn out for the election, regardless of what percent is eligible to vote. To amend the CC&R's we need 2/3 of all eligible voters, meaning that a non-vote is a "no" vote.

Somehow, this just seems wrong.

JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By LarryB13 on 02/23/2012 9:53 AM
Posted By JanetB2 on 02/23/2012 9:09 AM
Posted By JohnC46 on 02/23/2012 5:40 AM

It would seem to me that the consent of 75% of owners in writing could mean that people could go around collecting "signatures and/or votes" to make it happen with no time frame for such. They do not need to have a voting meeting per se.

That possibly is an option, but need to insure the voting method requirements in governing documents are not violated.

Nothing would demoralize the OP more than to not follow carefully everything, spend a lot of time trying to collect votes for 450+ homes, then have it all blow up because of some minor snafu. Those who act in haste and not pay attention to details can lose in the end.

“The owners may amend the declaration and bylaws by the consent of seventy-five per cent of the owners, either in writing or in a meeting called for that purpose.”

This passage implies that an election is not required and that a written instrument is a valid alternative to a meeting where a vote is taken.

Yep … And that “written instrument” better follow all appropriate procedures in the governing documents.

We have a couple of developers we can possibly serve on a platter who did not follow appropriate procedures (plus other violations). After the Judge’s ruling on their motion they are probably foaming at the mouth and now realizing they should not have infuriated myself and the other homeowners.

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