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MarieL (Illinois)
Posts: 82
Posted:
I'm an owner and past board member in an Illinois Common Interest Community. In our by-laws and CC&R's they say authority of this or that is delegated to the BOD,association or membership. I understand who the membership is, but what is the difference between the BOD and association? This I do not understand.
Thank you.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:


http://www.dicklerlaw.com/Newsletters/dicklerCommon-Int-CommunityAct2811.pdf

They seem to have a good overview along with definitions of terms early on.

Hope this helps
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Marie,

As I understand it:

The Association is the entity formed to oversee the contract (CC&Rs) made between the homeowners.
As you know, various authority is bestowed upon this entity (like collect assessments, enforce violations, etc.) and various responsibilities are assigned to the Association (maintaining the common area, etc.)
This legal entity known as your Association consists of you and your neighbors and the authority given to the Association comes from you and your neighbors (through the CC&Rs and other governing documents).

The Board of Directors (BOD) is the group of individuals who exercise (use) the authority/power of the Association and manage the business affairs of the Association (pay taxes, hold meetings, etc.).

Where the Association has the authority to collect assessments, it's governing body (the Board) actually collects the Assessments on behalf of the Association.

Clear as mud, right?

Basically the membership can look at the two as the same (as one acts on behalf of the other).
Legally they are different and that is why your documents identify them separately as first the Association was formed by it's members and then the Board was created to manage the affairs of the Association and exercise the authority of the Association.

Hope this helps.

Tim

JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi Marie:

Here is the definitions per your state HOA statute which also may help you:

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs4.asp?DocName=076501600HArt%2E+1&ActID=3273&ChapterID=62&SeqStart=100000&SeqEnd=1850000

(765 ILCS 160/1-5)
Sec. 1-5. Definitions. As used in this Act, unless the context otherwise requires:

"Association" or "common interest community association" means the association of all the unit owners of a common interest community, acting pursuant to bylaws through its duly elected board of managers or board of directors.

"Board" means a common interest community association's board of managers or board of directors, whichever is applicable.

"Board member" or "member of the board" means a member of the board of managers or the board of directors, whichever is applicable.

"Board of directors" means, for a common interest community that has been incorporated as an Illinois not-for-profit corporation, the group of people elected by the unit owners of a common interest community as the governing body to exercise for the unit owners of the common interest community association all powers, duties, and authority vested in the board of directors under this Act and the common interest community association's declaration and bylaws.

"Board of managers" means, for a common interest community that is an unincorporated association, the group of people elected by the unit owners of a common interest community as the governing body to exercise for the unit owners of the common interest community association all powers, duties, and authority vested in the board of managers under this Act and the common interest community association's declaration and bylaws.

"Member" means the person or entity designated as an owner and entitled to one vote as defined by the community instruments.

"Membership" means the collective group of members entitled to vote as defined by the community instruments.
MarieL (Illinois)
Posts: 82
Posted:
Thank you John and Tim I thinks this may answer my question. when the properties were first sold, the "association" permanently assigned parking space to specfic units. When new boards come into office and don't like the way these spaces were assigned., they can't change and overturn them to appease their personal opinions and desires.? Is this correct?..
Thank you.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
That would depend on the language used in your governing document and which document had the language.

If the assignment was made and described within your CC&Rs, then changes can't occur until the CC&Rs are amended by the membership.

If the authority to assign parking spaces was within the CC&Rs but the assignment was made and is written in the Bylaws, then only the bylaws need to be amended.

If the authority to assign parking spaces was within the CC&Rs but the assignment was made and is written as a resolution, then the Board may make the changes providing they comply with the procedures to adopt/amend resolutions.

If the authority to assign parking spaces was within the CC&Rs but the assignment was written as part of your deed, you may need to consult an attorney to see if the Association has the authority to change your deed.

Tim
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Marie

Now this is getting tricky. The IL Common Interest "stuff" was put in as an attempt to separate high rise condo association issues from townhomes/stand alone home association issues. Be it a good job or not I do not know, but your post raises more questions like:

1. They might have well been put in after your association was formed thus you were formed under other "rules" and they well be different thus how does one/should one transition?

2. Were the spaces "deeded" to the units?

I could go on and on with such questions but I think you might be dancing around somewhat. So at the risk of sounding rude, the real questions are what are your issues/problems with what is going on?

MarieL (Illinois)
Posts: 82
Posted:
This is probably more for Johnc46.

The "association" that permanently assigned all theparking spaces in question, was the one in 1969 when the association was first formed.It does concern my parking space, which is legally deeded to my propery but this is seriously misunderstood and a thorn in the side of the maintainence chair who purchased his unit in 1991 and knows he cannot do a thing about this. But every year at the annual meeting he addresses a bogus reassignment of parking spaces that took place a few months before he bought his unit.No one pays any attention to him,but itis staring to annoy me. I wanted a response I could forward to him so he would stop his silly nonsense and self imposed authority..
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi Marie:

I would recommend they tread carefully. If I purchased a condo which had a permanently assigned parking space more than likely that would be on my title Warranty Deed. If you take away a parking space noted on a warranty deed, which would be similar to reassigning a condo which an individual owns. Would that be legal?

They need to pull deeds and review all documents because if I was an owner and you mess with my titled property I would be leading the posse and no vote regarding the hanging.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MarieL on 02/21/2012 3:20 PM
This is probably more for Johnc46.

The "association" that permanently assigned all theparking spaces in question, was the one in 1969 when the association was first formed.It does concern my parking space, which is legally deeded to my propery but this is seriously misunderstood and a thorn in the side of the maintainence chair who purchased his unit in 1991 and knows he cannot do a thing about this. But every year at the annual meeting he addresses a bogus reassignment of parking spaces that took place a few months before he bought his unit.No one pays any attention to him,but itis staring to annoy me. I wanted a response I could forward to him so he would stop his silly nonsense and self imposed authority..

Marie,

You should handle this as any other complaint. Check the Association files and see if there were any reassignments. If there is no documentation in the Association files, simply state that the Association does not have any documentation of parking place assignments after the initial assignment made in 19xx. Then politely say that if he has documentation that the Association does not have to please provide a copy and the Association will take a look at it. Invite him to look at the Association files (as is his right to do so).

Lets look at it from a different perspective. It's possible that some arrangement was made between owners without the Associations knowledge, perhaps without proper authority. Therefore, the Association should be willing to look at any information made available. If parking spaces were traded and the authority of Assigning spaces rests with the Association, it's possible that the trade was not legally allowed and the Association should be aware of it. However, the issue would be between the two individuals and not between one individual and the Association.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MarieL on 02/21/2012 3:20 PM
This is probably more for Johnc46.

The "association" that permanently assigned all theparking spaces in question, was the one in 1969 when the association was first formed.It does concern my parking space, which is legally deeded to my propery but this is seriously misunderstood and a thorn in the side of the maintainence chair who purchased his unit in 1991 and knows he cannot do a thing about this. But every year at the annual meeting he addresses a bogus reassignment of parking spaces that took place a few months before he bought his unit.No one pays any attention to him,but itis staring to annoy me. I wanted a response I could forward to him so he would stop his silly nonsense and self imposed authority..

Thank you.

While I asked a "tough love" question, I believe the issue is now on the table versus "hidden" thus some experienced/knowledgeable about such can now best advise you.

While not my area.....Mm advice....the parking space is yours forever....have another drink..ignore the Ahole.....LOL

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