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CharlesM2 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 16
Posted:
First post to this forum. I'm the Treasurer for a 74 unit single family detached homeowners association in Massachusetts. It is my understanding that part of the closing process for properties in our association, a 6D certificate (issued by the association stating dues are paid up to date) is required to be presented by the seller to the buyer. But there are no checks in place to ensure this happens. I can't force the buyer or seller to get it. The attorneys and realtors don't request it. So the house changes hands without the 6D certificate being issued and no record of the change of ownership.

Any guidance on this?

My concerns are 1) Any unpaid dues should be collected at closing. 2) We're properly notified of new owners.

Any help/guidance/suggestions/disagreements are appreciated!

Thanks,
Charles M.
LanceT (Alabama)
Posts: 121
Posted:
It is hard to collect dues before a property is sold if money is owed. You do have some options if you stay pro-active as the treasurer. First, you are barking up the WRONG tree when your looking who is responsible for making sure that form is filled out. It is NOT the Attorney's or Real Estate Agent responsibility. The responsibility is mostly on the Seller/HOA. The buyer is the one with the most legal recourse. (HOA in some cases too). The mortgage/home lending company may bear the brunt of not having the form on hand at closing.
Your best resources for gathering information is to read the for sale signs on the property. Make sure if the property owes money, you know what Realtor, Real Estate company, Mortgage company, and true owner is for each sale for your best chance. You can call the Tax Assessor's office if you have the LOT number for the true ownership of the property.
The most important part of this puzzle is that NOTICES are sent promptly and often if money is owed by ANY owner. Make sure it goes to the right address. The one on the door is good but if the owner doesn't live there try to find their "real address" as well but send to BOTH addresses.
If you have records you notified the owner they owed money, your chances improve that you can have legal recourse to collect money owed. You may also look into having copies of that 6D form on hand if possible. That way you can break it down to all involved so they know what to fill out at the time of sale.
Our state doesn't require any forms to be filled out. My best source of information was often finding notices in the LEGALS section of my newspaper. They often post any liens or foreclosure the banks/mortgage companies are doing. Sometimes our HOA property was being foreclosed on by a bank but no notice given to us. It isn't required for a bank to notify a HOA in cases of foreclosures. So check often to see if any property has reached this point if possible.

Recovering Ex-President of a HOA
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Charles, in Colorado this problem is solved by the title companies. They request a Status Letter from the HOA prior to closing. We receive requests and provide a Certificate of Status of Assessment. Any amount owned plus a transfer fee is collected at closing.
GeraldT1 (<Not Specified>)
Posts: 519
Posted:
CharlesM2,

RogerB is correct, listen to him.

It is a common mistake for owners to think that a deed is proof of ownership, or evidence of title. A title insurance policy is the best evidence of title. Going to your Tax Assessor will prove nothing other than the current owner.

If the dues are not paid up before the property is sold, you must file a lien on the property and record that lien with the county clerk, and county registrar.

During the sales process but before close, an abstract of title will be performed (buyer's attorney, or maybe a title insurance company will perform it) This abstract traces ownership, and outstanding liens encumbrances, etc. on the lot/block/parcel and tells the buyer the home is marketable/salable/to go for it.

Your dues not paid should stick out like a sore thumb to every party involved including the Realtor, broker, mortgage company.

If the Realtor, or broker knows of the dues not paid, it MUST be disclosed to the buyer.

In the proration and closing sales sheet, the amount unpaid and due the HOA should appear as a credit to the buyer and debit to the seller or something to that effect. The buyer can accept a home for sale with an encumbrance so I am sure that something can be worked out in the transaction that the HOA can get paid.

Best of success!!
GeraldT1
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JoeS4 (Kentucky)
Posts: 77
Posted:
I think that it depends upon each state however in our area if an owner is late or owes money we have a letter drafted and present to the realtor or title company involved and collect our fees at closing, a lien whether recorded or not is considered a lien when more than one party is made aware or at least that is what I've been told and its worked so far without legal expense, the downside is when there is owners that have a first and second mortgage which could total for the same or more than the sales price.

Good Luck
TomJ (Arizona)
Posts: 42
Posted:
I do not know about the laws in your state but I would suggest you have some document that delineates the action to be taken when dues are overdue, for instance for our HOA we file a lean when the dues are three months over due.

We had trouble collecting because the home owners would get in arrears then file for bankruptcy and we had to write off this on several homes. The home owner is billed for filing the lien so the association does not lose any money

After we started filing the liens we have not written off any bad debts.
TeresaB1 (Colorado)
Posts: 1
Posted:
Maybe Roger B can answer this one. For a property in our COLORADO HOA, the title company called me to see if the dues were paid. The owners had brought by I check, but I hadn't gotten to the bank yet. Me being a trusting soul, I said, yes they have paid their dues. By the time I deposited the check, they had stopped payment. Who is on hte hook for it now? The HOA is SOL? The former owners still owe? Or can we go after the title company? (I merely verified by phone, did not provide any written verification that the dues were paid.)
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Teresa, if you are working for a Management Company then the MC is responsible for this mistake and should pay. Probably you are an association member assigned this duty. In that case it is a bad debt which the association absorbs unless the property has not yet closed. If not yet closed call the title company and update on the amount owed.

P.S. The title company should have asked for a status letter in writing.
LanceT (Alabama)
Posts: 121
Posted:
You may want to consult an attorney for the correct answer. If it is a significant amount of money, then it may be a good idea to pursue your legal options. However, if the legal costs are going to exceed the reward/amount owed then you may see what your HOA can do with the title company and all parties involved.
In my state in alabama, we do have "verbal agreement" laws. That means a if "verbal" agreement can be proven, then it can stand up in court. I am hoping your agreeing verbally the dues were paid won't complicate things.
You may want to even question your bank for answers on this situation as well. They may know of avenues for you to follow when someone cancels a check like this. It may fall under "consumer laws" if nothing else works.
You won't be able to make the current owner's pay whatever the previous owner's owed. That would be illegal.

Recovering Ex-President of a HOA
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
I would think in this instance you might have a leg to stand on. Obviously assuming a check is valid wasn't the right course of action but we all make mistakes. The homeowners made a conscious decision to stop payment on the check and therefore in my opinion should be liable for the amount owed. If you write a check for goods at a store and then go home and stop payment on it you will be in trouble. As Lance said I think you should look into your options.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Posted By TeresaB1 on 01/31/2007 11:23 AM

Maybe Roger B can answer this one. For a property in our COLORADO HOA, the title company called me to see if the dues were paid. The owners had brought by I check, but I hadn't gotten to the bank yet. Me being a trusting soul, I said, yes they have paid their dues. By the time I deposited the check, they had stopped payment. Who is on hte hook for it now? The HOA is SOL? The former owners still owe? Or can we go after the title company? (I merely verified by phone, did not provide any written verification that the dues were paid.)


You also may want to contact your local police department to see if you can file criminal charges. Depending on the amount of the check it may be a felony.

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YolandaJ (Alabama)
Posts: 1
Posted:
How do one go about acquiring the correct documents to file a lien on the property?
GloriaM (North Carolina)
Posts: 829
Posted:
Yolanda:

In most state's it is required by law that if a home is sold within a subdivision that is an association the closing attorney or Title Compnay is required to contact management or the HOA's agent (in this case you as Treasurer) to provide a closing statement to them for the closing. Most management companies provide this service for an additional "transfer fee" to be paid by the purchaser.

Again in many state's a corporation has to be represented by counsel. So in recording a lien, here in North Carolina, our Planned Community Act was amended January 1, 2006, and it was amended to state before a lien can be filed a "Final Notice" must be sent to the Owner outlining in detail the dues, late fees, and even the possible imposition of attorney fee's if they do not pay within 15-days (according to the Planned Community Act) however NC Collection Laws states you have to give the person 30-days to pay.

If you follow the Planned Community Act of 15-days, you could be in violation of the collection laws. Therefore we choose to give a 30-day Final Notice before placing a lien.
ThomasC5 (Maryland)
Posts: 7
Posted:
We are quite thankful that in our area the Title companies have been quite proactive in checking and getting the release or aranging the payment is settled at closing.

Most Realters are required to disclose issue if they are aware of them. When a house is on the market, we contact the agent for the seller and let them know the outstanding dues.

If nothing else they contact the owner for resolution or have to disclose. Failure to disclose can get their realators license pulled.

We moved from Builder's management to self Managed.

In review of the paperwork and our audit, out 99 unit sub-hoa had 30 outstanding members dues. including 3 that were for 3 years.

4 months later we are down to waiting on 3 in total.

It may be a backwards solution by contacting the realtors but in our case it has worked out on every house that sold.
LanceT (Alabama)
Posts: 121
Posted:
Realtor's are NOT responsible for disclosing HOA issues. They are responsible ONLY for the condition of the HOUSING/Property. Realtors are NOT homeowners in the community thus NOT part of the HOA. ONLY members of the HOA are allowed to know about HOA business. Most realtors ONLY know what the seller or a concerned HOA member tells them. However, it is NOT required for them to be informed. It is viewed as the BUYER'S responsibility to be informed. A realtor has to disclose there is a HOA but NOT what the rules are. The buyer must take it upon themselves to contact the HOA board, seller or go to the courthouse and get the documents.
As for title companies, you had better believe they are going to do all they can to make sure the property is "clean". It's their job. If they fail to do it, they will can get sued. (Hence, Title Insurance) I wouldn't necessarily consider it a "favor" if they do the research. I call it a requirement.
It's always considered the "Buyers" responsibility to be informed and the "Seller's" to be paid up.

Recovering Ex-President of a HOA

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