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BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
Posted:
I talked to a former President today who although kind about it told me the Board was not doing things correctly because we were not doing them the way they had been done in the past.

The Board has appointed a couple of Board memebers to fill vacant positions. These Board members are to be voted on at our annual meeting next Thursday. He told me these two people weren't Board members because they had not been voted on by the members yet. I gently reminded him that he appointed a man to the Board who was never voted on by the members. He said he appointed him as a consultant and said he was voted on by the members. But I had read the minutes to the annual meeting where he should have been voted on and there was not any mention of a vote for any Board member.

He said at one time the Board had a limit on how much they could spend without taking it to a vote of the members. I know churches put a limit on the amount a Deacon Board can spend with out a vote of the members.

But an Associaiton? I am wondering what would happen if an airconditioner or furace went out. I quess according to him we have to have a vote of the members before we can replace it although a furnace was replaced when he was President without a vote of the members. The way I see it, (which I will admit coult be wrong) is that we have to spend money because of items not taken care of properly earlier. I could give specific examples, but this is long enough already.

I know there are former Presidents on this site, but I think anyone concerned enough to be on this site is actually trying to follow the laws and the documents.

JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi Bonnie:

Just be sure to follow the governing documents and state statutes. Many state statutes allow for the board to appoint members who resign to fill the positions until the next annual election.

The association should have a budget and reserve fund for items to be repaired or replaced in the future. As long as these and the governing documents are followed then all should be well and good.

As you noted the important item is to follow the documents and corresponding laws for the benefit of all members equally.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Bonnie,

Have your governing documents and a copy of any applicable law at the annual meeting in case the board decision is challenged. You probably won't need them but at least you will be prepared if you do.

It's not worth getting into a game of this for that (I know I did this but you did that) with anyone. A simple mention that the Board is authorized to do these things under xyz should be enough along with a statement that if they can show where you misinterpreted that authorization, you will correct that action (when possible).

Tim
BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
Posted:
Many times when we make a decision we do quote our documents. We had to raise the assessment and we quoted the document stating raising assessments is the sole responsibility of the Board. This apparently doesn't make any difference to some of our members. I don't know how many times I have heard our fees have never been raised without a vote of the members.

I have read minutes from years past and no where in the minutes is a vote of the members indicated when the fee is raised.

I have also gone through the old files and noticed when the fees have been raised. Nothing was ever documented as to the members voting on the fees.

I don't mention this because once some of these older people get something in thier mind, nothing can change it.

I once heard if a lie is told often enough it appears to be face. I think this might be what has happened.

Since a lawyer is also a Board member we are probably more careful about following te law and document than other Boards. Not because they did not want to, but did not have te knowledge needed
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
You said: The Board has appointed a couple of Board memebers to fill vacant positions. These Board members are to be voted on at our annual meeting next Thursday'

I dont understand what you mean.

The board would have filled these vacancies for the time period UNTIL the term ends. Is that at the annual meeting?

If so, then the position is empty and anyone can be voted in that position.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By BonnieG1 on 02/11/2012 5:34 AM

This apparently doesn't make any difference to some of our members.

Yep, you can't please everyone.

BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
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Posted By SusanW1 on 02/11/2012 5:57 AM
You said: The Board has appointed a couple of Board memebers to fill vacant positions. These Board members are to be voted on at our annual meeting next Thursday'

I dont understand what you mean.

The board would have filled these vacancies for the time period UNTIL the term ends. Is that at the annual meeting?

If so, then the position is empty and anyone can be voted in that position.


Per NE state law the Board members have to be voted on by the members.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Bonnie, you wrote: "Per NE state law the Board members have to be voted on by the members."

I assume you mean Association Members, not board members, yes?

Has your board and property mgr. (if you have one) put out a call for candidates for the board? Has your board followed your governing documents concerning sending ballots to the membership? Have followed state statutes re: elections of directors?

As with Susan, I'm a little confused about the procedures that you're following. Your original post seems to say that your board will vote your appointees onto the board?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Bonnie,

I believe that Susan was referring to NE 21-1978 (part of the nonprofit corporation act), which allows the board or the members to fill a vacancy. However, it does defer to what procedure your governing documents specify about vacancies. Granted, this only applies if your Association is incorporated as a nonprofit.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
I should add that filling a vacancy is not the same as electing directors (which must be done by the membership).
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
BONNIE

I think Tim called it. Our BOD can appoint members to fill vacant seats on the BOD. Vacancies usually exist as a member resigned, a member was removed (never seen it happen in my HOA's), or not enough ran in the general homeowners election to fill all seats.

Our BOD members serve for two years thus if there was a vacancy and the BOD filled it then the person might well be on the BOD for two years. The person selected to fill the vacancy must be approved by majority of the BOD. This prevents say the President from just appointing whom they wish to appoint.

I belive this is a very common and accepted methodology.

An aside. One organization I belonged that elected its BOD, had a Bylaw that said if a BOD became seat became available, that the vacancy was offered to the next highest vote getter to fill the term. Of course this assumes one more ran then got elected. We used to joke that someone was BOD Member In Waiting...LOL

JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
When anyone makes statements that currently not being done correct, the best come back is to politely request that they provide proof from the governing documents or statutes stating otherwise. Maybe then some who have not really read the documents will then have to make the time as they try to prove the board wrong and instead will possibly find out they were the ones incorrect. It is best to put the burden of proof in many situations back on those who make such accusations. This then gives them something to do and in many instances can make them realize their mistake.

CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Our Bylaws also permit us (the Board) to appoint people to fill vacancies. But that appointee only serves until the next Annual Meeting & Election. Then, if wishing to continue to serve, that person must compete for a two-year term--with others who want to serve--via election by the Association membership.
BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
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Posted By TimB4 on 02/11/2012 9:24 AM
Bonnie,

I believe that Susan was referring to NE 21-1978 (part of the nonprofit corporation act), which allows the board or the members to fill a vacancy. However, it does defer to what procedure your governing documents specify about vacancies. Granted, this only applies if your Association is incorporated as a nonprofit.


I am going to have to study that part of the law.
BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
Posted:
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Posted By JanetB2 on 02/11/2012 12:48 PM
When anyone makes statements that currently not being done correct, the best come back is to politely request that they provide proof from the governing documents or statutes stating otherwise. Maybe then some who have not really read the documents will then have to make the time as they try to prove the board wrong and instead will possibly find out they were the ones incorrect. It is best to put the burden of proof in many situations back on those who make such accusations. This then gives them something to do and in many instances can make them realize their mistake.


I like this response. The only answer so far that I have gotten is that "I have read the Master Deed."

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