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JN3 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5
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Ok, I have a somewhat complicated situation. We purchased a home 3 years ago in a new development, we were the first people to purchase and signed a CC&R with the original developer of the neighborhood. A couple of homes were sold and then the original developer sold the remaining property to a new developer. Developer B basically did nothing to maintain the common areas or do anything within the CC&R's. Recently they sold the development to a NEW developer. Developer C is now cleaning up the common areas and building and selling homes. My issues comes with Developer C's ideas on what makes a good CC&R. He has indicated that he will change OUR CC&R to something more along the lines of their other neighborhoods. I have a couple of questions for anyone with info....

- Are we subject to the NEW CC&R when we only signed the original CC&R's 3 years ago? The changes that they would make would basically change the ENTIRE document.

- If Developer B was negligent in any paperwork filing or duties, is that CC&R still valid?

There has never been a single meeting, and the developer still owns the majority of the property so we really want to know where we stand. I'm going to scour my CC&R and South Carolina state law to see if there are any loop holes. My guess is that any paperwork that was supposed to be filed (to the state) was probably not during developer B's time since they completely dropped the ball on our neighborhood.

The CC&R we signed might be considered Void in some circumstances and if that's the case, what happens then?

LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
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First, verify that when the developers sold the property that they also assigned (transferred) the declarant's rights to the new developer. If there was a transfer of declarant's rights it should be recorded with your county or town. If the declarant's rights are still held by Developer A, then Developer C is just another property owner.

CC&R's are usually written to favor the declarant/developer. One of those provisions is to give the declarant disproportionate voting powers. If the declarant transferred the rigths to Deveoper C and C owns a majority of the lots, then he likely has the voting power to amend the CC&R's over your objections.

If Developer C does not have the declarant's rights, then he may or may not have enough votes to amend the declaration, depending on what percentage is required.

Whether Developer C has the declarant's rights or not, he is still bound by the terms of the original declaration when seeking to amend it. What I mean is that if the original declaration says that there must be a meeting and a vote taken, a meeting and a vote must be taken even though the outcome is never in coubt; C cannot just bypass the meeting and vote and record a new declaration.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Of the top of my head, I would say the present owner is the Declarant thus in control and can make the changes they wish to make to the CC&R's and/or Bylaws.

Of course I could be wrong.

You say the new owner is cleaning up the common areas and selling homes. Overall I would think this is best for you even if you do not like the changes. If he improves and stabilizes the HOA, it could aid you in selling and getting out of there if push comes to shove.

Best of luck.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
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Just a wild guess at the question about Developer B:

Even if Developer B had the declarant's rights and failed to perform whatever duties he may have had, and even if he owned the property from when you bought 3 years ago up until this morning, I would think that is such a short time in the life span of the development that his neglect would have no impact on the validity of the CC&R's. This would be especially so if none of the owners during his period of control objected to his negligent conduct in some meaningful way, such as filing a lawsuit. I am assuming that there is no state law covering this and nothing in the CC&R's themselves that say they are invalid if not properly administered.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:

Hi JN:

You need to review your original documents and any Amendments and determine what the developer has the right to change. You purchased based upon a contract and development plan; therefore, are somewhat protected depending on what is in the documents regarding developer rights.

Per Larry’s comment which even though varies by states is a general rule of thumb:
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Posted By LarryB13 on 02/10/2012 12:23 PM
First, verify that when the developers sold the property that they also assigned (transferred) the declarant's rights to the new developer. If there was a transfer of declarant's rights it should be recorded with your county or town. If the declarant's rights are still held by Developer A, then Developer C is just another property owner.

You may need to pull a copy of the Warranty Deeds between the developers as this document may have the lots purchased and the rights assigned by the developer to the next. Otherwise it may be in a separate document filed with the County Records. If the rights were not transferred then Developer C potentially would not be able to exercise any special development rights reserved by Developer A or B as those rights are still owned by them.

You would be subject to any Amendments to your CCR’s which are properly executed and filed as stated in your governing documents or state statutes.

It appears that SC at this time has Horizontal Property statutes. There is a bill being considered to add a homeowner’s association act, but it appears at this time it is caught up in committees.

Horizontal Property Statutes:
http://www.scstatehouse.gov/code/t27c031.php

Proposed Homeowner Association Act:
http://www.scstatehouse.gov/sess119_2011-2012/bills/218.htm

JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
down here in SC:

CAVEAT EMPTOR

since the CCRs can be changed by plurality vote ... and the developer is most likely the plurality:

all the developer has controlling him is the SC not-for-profit corporate law

http://www.scstatehouse.gov/code/t33c036.php

http://statutes.laws.com/south-carolina/title-33/chapter-31

JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
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I would potentially disagree with Caveat Emptor. The purchase and sell of goods is covered under Consumer Protection including property.

It depends on the intent of the contract a.k.a. Declaration of CCR’s and plain language expressed. Also, as the Declaration becomes to an extent an implied and expressed warranty regarding the development plan which he is selling to consumers and they in turn have reliance upon. Changes cannot be unreasonable or contravene public policy. A developer potentially would need to be careful after selling to a consumer not to violate fiduciary duty by self serving interests and financially harming others with not method for them to mitigate damages.

http://law.justia.com/cases/south-carolina/court-of-appeals/2011/4779.html

In Queen's Grant II Horizontal Property Regime v. Greenwood Development Corp., 368 S.C. 342, 628 S.E.2d 902 (Ct. App. 2006), our court set forth five conditions which must be met in order for a developer to reserve the right to amend or impose new restrictive covenants running with the land:

(1) the right to amend the covenants or impose new covenants must be unambiguously set forth in the original declaration of covenants; (2) the developer, at the time of the amended or new covenants, must possess a sufficient property interest in the development; (3) the developer must strictly comply with the amendment procedure as set forth in the declaration of covenants; (4) the developer must provide notice of amended or new covenants in strict accordance with the declaration of covenants and as otherwise may be provided by law; and (5) the amended or new covenants must not be unreasonable, indefinite, or contravene public policy.

In Queen's Grant II Horizontal Property Regime v. Greenwood Development Corp. case further states right is to be exercised in a reasonable manner:

http://sc.findacase.com/research/wfrmDocViewer.aspx/xq/fac.20060410_0000260.SC.htm/qx

Moreover, a developer may generally reserve to himself the right to amend restrictive covenants in his sole discretion, and may do so without the consent of the grantee, so long as he exercises that right in a reasonable manner.

LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
There is also an Arizona case that holds that the CC&R's cannot be amended in such a way as to impose a new burden on existing owners. In that case, an HOA amended its CC&R's to require all owners to join a recreation center. The court held that those who bought prior to the amendment had no reasonable expectation that they would one day be required to pay dues to the rec center. The court held that. "The authority
to amend the original Declarations did not allow 51% of the lot owners to force the other 49% into club membership the latter had chosen against, nor to assess and lien the properties of such homeowners for an association they did not seek."

See Dreamland Villa Community Club v Raimey.

I think a similar argument could be raised if the new developer amends the CC&R's in such a way as to impose unforeseen obligations on the existing buyers.
EmmaH1
Posts: 674
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Posted By LarryB13 on 02/11/2012 7:34 PM
There is also an Arizona case that holds that the CC&R's cannot be amended in such a way as to impose a new burden on existing owners. In that case, an HOA amended its CC&R's to require all owners to join a recreation center. The court held that those who bought prior to the amendment had no reasonable expectation that they would one day be required to pay dues to the rec center. The court held that. "The authority
to amend the original Declarations did not allow 51% of the lot owners to force the other 49% into club membership the latter had chosen against, nor to assess and lien the properties of such homeowners for an association they did not seek."

See Dreamland Villa Community Club v Raimey.

I think a similar argument could be raised if the new developer amends the CC&R's in such a way as to impose unforeseen obligations on the existing buyers.

Wonder what happened to JN3?

JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
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Would be interesting to know outcome. This thread is nearly three years old.
EmmaH1
Posts: 674
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Posted By JanetB2 on 12/06/2014 11:07 AM
Would be interesting to know outcome. This thread is nearly three years old.

I know, I hate that never knowing it should be a requirement that you fill us in.....lol.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
JN had another thread in June of 2012. It may or may not provide some answers:
Subject: developer not maintaining CC&Rs now selling to new developer and unilaterally changing bylaws

It would be great if we had some feedback to know if the advice provided was good, bad or indifferent (based on the outcome). However, I certainly wouldn't make it a requirement.

Many people come to the site looking for answers, get them, resolve the issue one way or another and move on. I think that this is especially true if the resolution didn't go the way they wished it had.

If the OP doesn't reactivate a thread to give an update, it's normally best to simply not reactivate it.
EmmaH1
Posts: 674
Posted:
Thanks Tim,
Emma

(just kidding about the requirement...lol)
EmmaH1
Posts: 674
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TimB4 on 12/06/2014 11:33 AM
JN had another thread in June of 2012. It may or may not provide some answers:
Subject: developer not maintaining CC&Rs now selling to new developer and unilaterally changing bylaws

Many people come to the site looking for answers, get them, resolve the issue one way or another and move on. I think that this is especially true if the resolution didn't go the way they wished it had.

.

I think that many people would keep posting back if things didn't go the way they wished so they may get more feedback, that is how I would look at things. I tend to think if things ended happily for them they would just go on their merry way and not bother to update us. Just my opinion. (like with a recent post by Howard, things did not go well for him so he came back here and updated us and people tried to offer him more help.
JamesO6 (Florida)
Posts: 170
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JN3 on 02/10/2012 11:58 AM
Ok, I have a somewhat complicated situation. We purchased a home 3 years ago in a new development, we were the first people to purchase and signed a CC&R with the original developer of the neighborhood. A couple of homes were sold and then the original developer sold the remaining property to a new developer. Developer B basically did nothing to maintain the common areas or do anything within the CC&R's. Recently they sold the development to a NEW developer. Developer C is now cleaning up the common areas and building and selling homes. My issues comes with Developer C's ideas on what makes a good CC&R. He has indicated that he will change OUR CC&R to something more along the lines of their other neighborhoods. I have a couple of questions for anyone with info....

- Are we subject to the NEW CC&R when we only signed the original CC&R's 3 years ago? The changes that they would make would basically change the ENTIRE document.

- If Developer B was negligent in any paperwork filing or duties, is that CC&R still valid?

There has never been a single meeting, and the developer still owns the majority of the property so we really want to know where we stand. I'm going to scour my CC&R and South Carolina state law to see if there are any loop holes. My guess is that any paperwork that was supposed to be filed (to the state) was probably not during developer B's time since they completely dropped the ball on our neighborhood.

The CC&R we signed might be considered Void in some circumstances and if that's the case, what happens then?


Our deed restriction section has a paragraph dealing with them transfering any rights to another enity under ASSIGNMENT. Has to be an apprpriate in recorded written INSTRUMENT".
But it also states later or earlier it must be approved by the entire lot owners not 75%, not 50% "ALL" for any changes by another enity. then look if your HOA deed restriction has a clause right to expand paragrapgh and General paragraph and see if the new builders has to abid by the orignal conveants or reach a similar set of deed resrictions. also it has a 10 year clause in the right to expand, our new developer added the entire new plats of land 10 years 4 months under our Deed restriction, hence they had to form a new HOA up and excempt ours from thiers, effecting killing our HOA deed restrictions for not developing the community in that 10 year time frame under our Deed restriction, due to our original HOA had the only rights to expand our community.

there are so many things that can dissolve a HOA that even formed up., esp when new developers does a hostile take over thats where any disgrunted developers will harpoon the new titans, by going in and changing the HOA deed restrictions so their so many loop holes out of them from the new developers..
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Quote:
Posted By EmmaH1 on 12/06/2014 2:44 PM
Posted By TimB4 on 12/06/2014 11:33 AM
JN had another thread in June of 2012. It may or may not provide some answers:
Subject: developer not maintaining CC&Rs now selling to new developer and unilaterally changing bylaws

Many people come to the site looking for answers, get them, resolve the issue one way or another and move on. I think that this is especially true if the resolution didn't go the way they wished it had.

.


I think that many people would keep posting back if things didn't go the way they wished so they may get more feedback, that is how I would look at things. I tend to think if things ended happily for them they would just go on their merry way and not bother to update us. Just my opinion. (like with a recent post by Howard, things did not go well for him so he came back here and updated us and people tried to offer him more help.

My experience on this chat is the more they beat on a subject (Mike from MA is a classic example) the more they just sneak away when they end up losing in court or wherever.

Also my experience is many try and shop for answers they like/want and when they do not get such on here, they insult, argue, but they eventually leave also.

EmmaH1
Posts: 674
Posted:
Guess there's just no way to know who's right on this one. All just each of our own speculation and viewpoint, interesting. Just a bunch of opinionated people aren't we all.....lol.
JamesO6 (Florida)
Posts: 170
Posted:
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Posted By EmmaH1 on 12/06/2014 5:52 PM
Guess there's just no way to know who's right on this one. All just each of our own speculation and viewpoint, interesting. Just a bunch of opinionated people aren't we all.....lol.

If I was in a HOA, and I got elected into office, first thing to do is change the name of the HOA to a simple on...Gulag association, and erect wooden stockades and erect guard towers all around it looking for any CC&R and By-laws violators.
Have daily exercises like say martial arts stretching and arms flaying's about jumping jacks while chanting my HOA slogan I make up every day. One day have potted plants out side next day it's a citation if there out. one day have white light structures out, next day black, One day tree's in the yards next day only bush's.

Or they can make it easy to do one set of laws for a HOA. period no well this state does it this way, this county does it different then the next county, this neighborhood does it this way the other does it that way, the other one next does it another way.
EmmaH1
Posts: 674
Posted:
I am one that agrees that there is a need for a more uniform set of rules nationwide. But there are many to disagree.
EmmaH1
Posts: 674
Posted:
and the unethical lawyers who make the $$$$ on all of this fighting between neighbors will be right out there lobbying against a consistent set of laws like they do in my state.
EmmaH1
Posts: 674
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If problems were a easier to prevent and solve then they lose $$$$$$.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
You hit the nail on the head Emma
EmmaH1
Posts: 674
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Posted By JanetB2 on 12/06/2014 9:27 PM
You hit the nail on the head Emma

Thank you Janet,

Sometimes when you say that to people they look at you like your the crazy one. It amazes me that people can't make the connection.

Emma

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