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JohnR4 (Arizona)
Posts: 29
Posted:
Is it possible for board members to deligate their rights, votes, etc... to one person on the BOD??? sounds crazy to me but I have spoken to a management company that informed me that there was only one person active in the communities BOD. What if he/she quits??? who would assume control if no BOD exist ???
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
more or less, yes it is possible.

In my case, by board members being late with their assessments, and no one in the community willing to serve, even if appointed.
HaroldS (Arizona)
Posts: 906
Posted:
If the lone board member quits and no one comes forward to run the HOA, the courts could appoint a receiver to run it and of course they would charge for their services. I would expect you would soon get some volunteers again as your assessment goes up to pay the receiver's fee. Harold
GeraldT1 (<Not Specified>)
Posts: 519
Posted:
JohnR4,

One person active does not mean one person necessary. What do your by-laws require for the number of directors?

GeraldT1
NNJ
LanceT (Alabama)
Posts: 121
Posted:
Do you have a management company? If so, they may takeover the running of the HOA until someone is willing to "step up". They may not be able to change the rules or give approval for projects but they can meet the bills.
In our HOA if we ever decided to "disband" we MUST be turned over to a management company. That means no more homeowner input on how to run our neighborhood. Atleast with a HOA board/ACC committee the culture of the neighborhood can be maintained.
Your best bet is try to get people interested in what is going on in your neighborhood. I bet alot of people don't know what they are involved in when they are in a HOA. They just assume they pay some money in and things get done. Let them find out it isn't that way, and someone will take the reigns eventually even if it is to dismantle the HOA.
This is what happened to me my last year as president. We started out with 7 board members. 4 of those moved out within the first 6 months of the year. I was down to 2 board members and myself. 1 of the 2 board members never attended meetings, and the other one, members wanted voted out due to him NOT paying his dues for several months. I was basically alone in running the HOA! Ironically, even I moved out of my HOA 3 months before my term was up!!! (I moved to the neighborhood next door and used my HOA home as rental property).
Our HOA had 107 members. It wasn't small and didn't have a "management company". We did have an accounting firm that collects the dues and paid the bills. I still had to sign and approve each check. So it is possible to run a HOA with one person. It's just depends on the person and what their true responsibilities are. My HOA did NOT run like a "dictatorship" either. We just couldn't vote any new board members/officers during the term year.
So your "one man board" may be doing the best they can in the circumstances they are under. Why don't you see what you can do to help? You are a member and it is your HOA too!

Recovering Ex-President of a HOA
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
In our Association when a Board member resigns the remaining Board members appoint someone to fill out the term of the member who resigned. Most HOA's are legal entities i.e. the corporation and if there are no directors it goes into receivership like Harold said. Trust me if you think your dues are high now; wait until you have to pay someone that the court appoints. I do not believe you can legally "turn it over" to the management company. Roger your thoughts on this.

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WilliamT (Arizona)
Posts: 489
Posted:
Posted By GlenL on 01/23/2007 3:08 PM

In our Association when a Board member resigns the remaining Board members appoint someone to fill out the term of the member who resigned. Most HOA's are legal entities i.e. the corporation and if there are no directors it goes into receivership like Harold said. Trust me if you think your dues are high now; wait until you have to pay someone that the court appoints. I do not believe you can legally "turn it over" to the management company. Roger your thoughts on this.


Check out Chapter 37 Dissolution - Non Profit Corporations Article 3. Judicial Dissolution 10-11432 Receivership.

Here is a legal analysis of that section.

"ANALYSIS: A judge will impose a receivership over an association if through internal chaos or otherwise, it is not able to andminster its affairs. Receiverships are extremely expensive. They inhibit sales. Members and directors should compromise to avoid these at all costs.

I'm sure Roger is aware of this, but not all managers are. I attended a class recently on HOA 101 taught by a VP of a very large MC company. Someone asked the question, what happens if an entire board resigns and no one would step up. She said that the MC would take over running the HOA. I told her that I believed that since there must be a board to run the corporation, and if there was no board, that it should go to the courts to appoint a receivers. She said no, the MC could run it.

She was wrong. However, I didn't have my book that has this law with me so I couldn't go any further - she was the expert!

What should happen, in my opinion, is that the MC continues to do their contractural duty, and at the same time, on behalf of the Association, hire an HOA attorney to offer advice. Naturally that HOA attorney would have to petition the court to appoint a receiver because the HOA is in chaos, (it has no BOD, which is requred.)

Now the heavy expense comes in, and when the members discover what will happen to their dues, a few people will step up to cover their wallets.

RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
If there are no Board members then there is no one to appoint the MC to run the association. The court could appoint someone and it would be very expensive. IMO a better solution is to have an "inactive Board" which appoints the Managing Agent to run the association. The Board would still be in charge but would authorize the responsibilities of every officer to the Managing Agent. An even better solution is prevention - have most duties done by the Managing Agent so Board members will not burn out. They attend meetings (can even entice members to run for the Board by having meal meetings paid by HOA), set policy, and let the Managing Agent do the rest - set up and run meetings, take minutes, hire contractors, pay bills, and whatever else the Board wants.
WilliamT (Arizona)
Posts: 489
Posted:
Roger, I don't understand the "inactive board" concept. The board can delegate duties of the officers to an MC, but it cannot delegate the responsibilities of seeing that the duties and directives are carried out. The Bylaws state that the board is still responsible for the work they delegate.

If the MC does not do their job, and the vendors don't do their job, then the inactive board members are going to be held responsible for their neglect.

In our hypothetical case of all board members resigning, then there is no board at all, so the MC is going to have to contact an attorney. They still have to honor their contract and continue their MC duties. At the same time they could send a letter to the members informing them of the options, to try and get volunteers to serve on the BOD.

However, why would an association want to have an inactive board that is being compensated for nothing. (the dinner is the perk to get them to sign up to be inactive, so I consider that compensation)

If the inactive board members knew that they were responsible to supervise all contractors and vendors, and if they didn't, that the Bylaws may not indemnify them and the D&O may not cover them for neglect, then why would they want to serve as an inactive board?

The receivership would be the best way to go, in my opinion, because it would only take one membership meeting held by the receiver to inform the members what this is costing, and how it will effect their dues, to get people to wake up and volunteer to join the board and get this HOA back on track.
HaroldS (Arizona)
Posts: 906
Posted:
Sorry Roger, but no way would I allow the MC total control. Until the states enact some oversight and require bonding of MCs, there is just too much temptation there. That opinion was probably reinforced because of the recent MC, who is a convicted felon, here in Arizona accused of fraud & theft, and your matter-of-fact reply to that thread that "management companies defraud HOAs several times a year." Just wonderful. No thank you. Harold
KarenS8 (Texas)
Posts: 2
Posted:
I know how hard it is to get some one to run for board positions but whatever you do not get a mangement company i know there must be some good ones. we are involved in a soon to be nasty fight with our management company on breach of contract.
karen
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Posted By HaroldS on 01/23/2007 5:46 PM

Sorry Roger, but no way would I allow the MC total control. Until the states enact some oversight and require bonding of MCs, there is just too much temptation there. That opinion was probably reinforced because of the recent MC, who is a convicted felon, here in Arizona accused of fraud & theft, and your matter-of-fact reply to that thread that "management companies defraud HOAs several times a year." Just wonderful. No thank you. Harold


Harold you don't need the State to require bonding of management companies, it's in our By-Laws and if it's not something every association requires it should be. It's not just the occasional dishonest MC you need to be on guard for. I was on the Board of Trustee's of my Life Squad, we even required two signatures on a check and still the treasurer managed to steal quite a bit before we caught her. She did make restitution when she got out of jail. Our HOA insurance policy bonds the BOD and we require the MC to provide a bond:

The Board shall obtain fidelity bond coverage with respect to any person who either handles or is responsible for funds held or administered by the Association, in an amount no less than the maximum funds that will be in the custody of the Association or its management agent at any, time while the bond is in force. Provided, however, the fidelity bond coverage must at least equal the sum of three months’ assessments on all living units in the project, plus the Association’s reserve funds. A management agent handling funds for the Association shall also be covered by its own fidelity bond, at the sole cost of said agent, naming the Association as an additional obligee. All bonds shall provide for ten (10) days written notice to the Association before the same may be canceled or substantially modified for any reason.

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RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Who do you think a judge will assign when an HOA goes into receivership?

Also, as a member would you rather give members outstanding meals to entice them to serve on the Board or pay the outrageous expenses for an HOA in receivership? Also, remember that insurance and the corporate shield still protect Board members when they act in good faith. Any Board can establish processes, with professional help when necessary, to assure proper conduct of a Managing Agent.
WilliamT (Arizona)
Posts: 489
Posted:
Posted By RogerB on 01/23/2007 7:50 PM

Who do you think a judge will assign when an HOA goes into receivership?

Also, as a member would you rather give members outstanding meals to entice them to serve on the Board or pay the outrageous expenses for an HOA in receivership? Also, remember that insurance and the corporate shield still protect Board members when they act in good faith. Any Board can establish processes, with professional help when necessary, to assure proper conduct of a Managing Agent.


Roger, I don't know who judges appoint as receivers, but I'm sure they have a pool with a wide range of business experiences. I'm just quoting from the non-profit law and the analysis of that section of law by a law group in AZ who compiled a book of all the laws applicable to planned communities and condominiums. Their binder of the laws is all inclusive and they gave them to local managers, some of whom passed them out to presidents of their communities.

My point about paying for meals had to do with this being an inactive board that you describe. Why would an HOA give any monetary incentive to a board that is not going to do anything but meet once a month for a free dinner? You could probably get the entire community to serve on that board.

Bylaws or planned community laws do not have a provision for an inactive board. The Bylaws require certain duties of directors and officers. The inactive board that you describe is simply a group of people who don't want to do anything, but are willing to come out once a month for a free meal.

To me, that's a recipe for continued disaster that was initially created by all the directors resigning. The inactive board is not going to carry out their responsibilities, which could get them into trouble for negigence, because the insurance company and courts are not going to differentiate between an inactive and an active board. They're going to differentiate between carrying out responsibilities in a business manner and being negligent.

The MC is not going to have the guidance and supervision that is required, and neither are the vendors. From my short experience in this business, when nobody is watching the store, things are not going to get done.

The MC is charged with offering advice to a board, or in this example, the community, of when they should consult experts in the field, and on the courses of action that are available to them, so they can make a decision.

If I were the MC, I would write a letter to the homeowners informing them that there is no board of directors, and that the Bylaws require a minimum number of directors. If members do not step forward with the minimum number to serve as directors, then the MC or a community member will need to contact an attorney to petition the courts to appoint a receiver to run the Association, which is a corporation that is governed by the non-profit Corporation law.

It should also be explained to them that this will be a very expensive sitation and the homeowners could be mandated by the judge to suffer a special assessment, or a huge increase in dues in order to pay for the receiver.

With this letter, there will probably be quite a few responsible people come forward because they would be able to foresee the problems they would face without a board. If they don't come forward then they have shown sufficient apathy to deserve to have to pay for the courts to run the store, and possibly dissolve the corporation.

I believe it would be improper for an MC to ask for people to serve as an inactive board because there is no such thing allowed in the Bylaws, and would be tantamount to having the MC run the Association and supervise themselves. That would be a conflict of interest, in my layman's opinion.

RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
William, I think your comments illustrate my point.
Posted By RogerB on 01/23/2007 4:28 PM
If there are no Board members then there is no one to appoint the MC to run the association. The court could appoint someone and it would be very expensive. IMO a better solution is to have an "inactive Board" which appoints the Managing Agent to run the association. The Board would still be in charge but would authorize the responsibilities of every officer to the Managing Agent. An even better solution is prevention - have most duties done by the Managing Agent so Board members will not burn out. They attend meetings (can even entice members to run for the Board by having meal meetings paid by HOA), set policy, and let the Managing Agent do the rest - set up and run meetings, take minutes, hire contractors, pay bills, and whatever else the Board wants.

When there is sufficient encouragement, such as the threat of much higher assessments under receivership or meal meetings, members do step forward. The more who do the greater the success - elect three to five Board members and increase the MC duties so these Board members will not burn out.

WilliamT (Arizona)
Posts: 489
Posted:
Roger, I think we're close to being on the same page, but not quite.

Our Bylaws state: "The Board may delegate the duties listed above (Officer duties) or other duties to a manager or managing agent, or other: however, such delegation shall not relieve any member of the Board of his responsibility for such duties."

So the board can not delegate any responsibilities. The buck stops with the BOD.

For the Duties of the Board, our Bylaws state: "It shall be the duty of the BOD to..." "...(b) supervise all officers, agents and employees of the Association, and to see that their duties are properly performed..."

If the inactive board is only going to meet and have dinner, they are not going to attend to their duties. They cannot delegate their responsibilities, and neither can they delegate their duties to supervise and see that the agents, etc., are performing their jobs.

An MC can do a lot of financial damage if it becomes careless and is not supervised. So can the vendors. In this area the property managers typically each have 7 to 10 properties to manage, and they are extremely busy. I hear them complaining at CAI meetings that they have no life except the job. Because of that, it is easy for these managers to be slack where they know they can, and do the job properly where they know the board is watching.

Any elected board must know that they have to perform the duties that are not permitted to be delegated, and to live up to their responsibilities. If they do that, then they are an active board. Certainly they can delegate the permitted duties, but that's all.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
William, I totally agree with you. The responsibility can not be delegated, just the duties. By inactive I was thinking of doing a lot less but they must still supervise the Managing Agent. And needless to say, for this to work it requires a good Managing Agent.

You raised a good point about Agents managing up to 10 (or more) properties. I think that, plus inexperience (the average life as a Managing Agent is less than 4 years), contributes significantly to the poor service provided by many MC. We restrict managers to a maximum of 5 HOAs (or 1000 units) and all agents are experienced.
WilliamT (Arizona)
Posts: 489
Posted:
Roger, I probably misunderstood your interpretation of inactive board. So we are on the same page.

Yes, managing from 7 to 10 properties is a real problem, which is exacerbated by inexperience.

What happens is that the managers who become very good are either promoted or leave for a higher paying job somewhere else.

Before I joined this board, the MC they had some years ago was accidentally getting our dues income credited to another Association with a similar name. There was some reason why the treasurer didn't pick up on it, but I forgot. Anyway the one manager that was really good, had been transferred to different properties and the one they replaced her with was not liked by the board for several good reasons.

The board told the MC that they would not change MC's if they would sit down and explain why the fund problem occurred, and what they were doing to see that it did not happen again, and also if the previous manager were assigned back to this association.

They refused all the requests, so an MC change was made. The good manager went on to become vice president of the MC company a couple years later.

JeanneK (Maryland)
Posts: 12
Posted:
In Maryland legislation will be introduced this session to 1) require management companies be bonded to practice in Maryland and 2) allow for receivership for common ownership communities that are so messed up no one wants to serve on the board.
JeanneK (Maryland)
Posts: 12
Posted:
In Maryland legislation will be introduced this session to 1) require management companies be bonded to practice in Maryland and 2) allow for receivership for common ownership communities that are so messed up no one wants to serve on the board.

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