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RudyH (Florida)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Just a quick question for all you board presidents. I live in Fla and was just elected board president and have much to learn. We follow Robert Rules of Order and our management co said that I can vote on everything; however, I thought the president votes only when it is a tie vote. I've checked our docs and do not see where it is addressed. How do other HOAs handle this. Thanks for you input!!
LindaC3 (Florida)
Posts: 526
Posted:
Rudyh-- I do believe you are correct..........LindaC
LanceT (Alabama)
Posts: 121
Posted:
I am a former President of a Homeowner's Association. First, you must remember you are also a MEMBER of the HOA and NOT just the President so you still have your INDIVIDUAL member vote. (As long as your up to date on your dues!). Your "Presidential" vote is different. You really don't get 2 votes. Same applies to the board members.
There are 2 types of "voting" in your HOA. The first is "Membership" voting. This is where a MAJORITY vote of homeowners have their say. These votes typically involve electing board members, special assessment allowances, kicking out BOD, and rule changes etc...
The 2nd type of "voting" is what the board does amongst itself. The general membership votes the members of the BOD in to REPRESENT their needs and handle the daily operations of the HOA itself. Could you imagine trying to have 100 members have to vote each time a light bulb needed changed in the front entrance?
So, as an individual homeowner you still have the right to vote when the "Majority" vote is needed. However, you also have a "Vote" when your board vote is tied or is needed to make a decision. A Board vote is separate.
Anytime you get confused think of our own U.S. Government and how it works. (Just leave out the House of Representatives). Your board members are like the Senate, you are the President, and the general members are the United States people. The judicial part (Supreme Court) can be your entire board or the ACC!
Good luck! I was president for 3 years! Every day is a challenge! Just make the job part of you and things will go much smoother. I took the approach that it was a "ThankFULL job, and NOT ThankLESS job". Do the job well enough and you will never go hungry! The members will always have a "plate" ready for you at their dinner tables if you do things right.

Recovering Ex-President of a HOA
MarkC3 (Indiana)
Posts: 43
Posted:
Is this correct? The President only votes when there is a tie on the board? I am the HOA newly elected President and I have been reading up on the rules. I also attend our town concil meeting to get a feel of how board rules apply. Every vote at the town concil included the President, so I am confused.
WilliamT (Arizona)
Posts: 489
Posted:
The president may vote on all issues the same as other directors.

The president may, if he/she chooses wish to only vote in the case of a tie. That is optional, and it is meant to show impartiality.

BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
I think that is up to you if it isn't spelled out in documents. I consider myself just another board member and homeowner, therefore I vote as appropriate, not just in case of a tie.
GeraldT1 (<Not Specified>)
Posts: 519
Posted:
MarkC3,

No, it is not correct, unless your by-laws and state laws require it. Understand, each state, and each association has different rules, there is not one universal set of by-laws. HOA talk has members in many different states, therefore, you will see many different sets of rules.

My personal opinion is that the President should vote on all issues, not just when there is a tie. It is the most impartial way to conduct business.

Best of success!!
GeraldT1
NNJ
BeckyV (Michigan)
Posts: 43
Posted:
I agree with WillamT. In addition, you indicate that you use Roberts Rules. In Roberts Rules Newly Revised 10th Edition pgs 392-393 or Table A pg 190 state that the pres has the same priveleges as other members of the assembly including the right to debate (except when they are presiding). It goes on to discuss voting in a tie etc.
RonaldW (South Carolina)
Posts: 901
Posted:
In our association, the directors are elected by the membership and then decide among themselves who holds which office. I don't know why anyone would agree to be president if he or she lost their vote because of their office.

Ron
SC
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Rudy, since you follow Robert's Rules of Order your management company is correct. Robert's Rules for small groups apply for HOA Boards; less formality is required. The chair may vote on everything, not just to break ties.

There are other procedures which are acceptable for small groups, such as not requiring a second to a motion and approval by general consent. For example, the chair may say "Hearing no objection the minutes are approved by general consent." Using a few of these acceptable procedures can really speed up a meeting. I have been in Board meetings where the chair required a motion before any discussion on a subject. The meetings required motions to be withdrawn or else they were amended several times prior to voting on the main motion. Meetings which should have taken 30 minutes took over 3 hours!
DonN (Michigan)
Posts: 357
Posted:
RudyH

There are a number of books on Robert's Rules of Order, but only one is published by an association of parliamentarians. The website is . Their publication is "The Scott,Foresman Robert's Rules of Order Newly Revised", or RONR for short. I think the latest edition is the 10th. The book includes a section on procedures for board, and a specific section for small boards described by RogerB. The quotation from my 9th edition is "The chairman can speak in discussion without rising or leaving the chair; and, subject to rule or custom with the particular board (which should be uniformly followed regardless of how many members are presentn), he usually can make motions and usually votes on all questions."

DanaB1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 319
Posted:
Is it true that the president can vote only to break a tie?

Answer:

No, it is not true that the president can vote only to break a tie. If the president is a member of the assembly, he or she has exactly the same rights and privileges as all other members have, including the right to speak in debate and the right to vote on all questions. However, the impartiality required of the presiding officer of an assembly (especially a large one) precludes exercising the right to debate while presiding, and also requires refraining from voting except (i) when the vote is by ballot, or (ii) whenever his or her vote will affect the result.

When will the chair's vote affect the result? On a vote which is not by ballot, if a majority vote is required and there is a tie, he or she may vote in the affirmative to cause the motion to prevail. If there is one more in the affirmative than in the negative, the president can create a tie by voting in the negative to cause the motion to fail. Similarly, if a two-thirds vote is required, he or she may vote either to cause, or to block, attainment of the necessary two thirds. [RONR (10th ed.), p. 392-93; see also Table A, p.190 of RONR In Brief.]

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