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MarkC3 (Indiana)
Posts: 43
Posted:
We are a new board and our first order of business is to get a handle of our delinquent homeowners. We will go through the normal practices of sending our notices with explanations which is the easy part. Once we run into the defiant homeowner, we want to exercise our CCR's rules. This includes small claims and property liens to recover outstanding dues. My question is, does anyone have experience in filing property liens? Can the board do this on their own by just filing at the court, or do we need to involve the attorney? We are trying to avoid adding the expense of attorney fees. We currently have a couple of properties that very far behind on dues, and would like to start putting on the pressure. Since our community is in Indiana, the deterrent of assessing fines to homeowners that don't abide to the CCR's is prohibited. So our only recourse is the legal system. Since we have to go that route, anything we can do ourselves would save the community money.

Thanks
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Mark, I suggest your Board first establish Rules and Regulation on Delinquent Accounts and provide these to all owners. As long as you know what you are doing (follow the laws of your state) you can file liens and release of liens with your county clerk. I suggest you use sufficient late charges and lien filing cost insentives to encourge payment prior to filing a lien.
MarkC3 (Indiana)
Posts: 43
Posted:
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SidneyP (Florida)
Posts: 302
Posted:
Roger, what would you consider a sufficient late charge....I have ask for a year now for our BOD's to impliment R&R's on delinquent accounts. We also have many delinquent accounts, some as long a 5 assessment payments behind(semi annually 2 1/2 years). The President and Treasurer has refused to do this (only 3 BOD's-I lose every time) We only transitioned last year and our MC(developer hired) had low balled our budget to the point that we ran out of money this year. This was partly because of the lowballing and the delinquent accounts....We just received our assessment bill for 2007, the assessment was raised the allowed 10% w/o a member vote but there was still no memtion of a late fee or interest to be charged for failure to pay. I have told them both over and over that we cannot charge these fees unless it is in print in our By-Laws. So as it has once again not been added, we have have no power for collection. The increase was necessary, I can understand that but we will be going through the same thing next year because we will once again have those who feel they can keep getting a free ride on the shoulders of the HO's that pay....What else can I do to convience them to do this?
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Sidney, in order to charge late fees, interest, legal charges, etc. this must be in your Declaration. For example R&Rs on Delinquent accounts go to CypressGreensHOA.com, click on Documents, click on Rules and Regulations and scroll down.

This is an example where there are no serious collection problems. If there are the late fee can be increased (many in our area charge $25/month) and the lien filing fees can be increased ($100 is minimal).
TomJ (Arizona)
Posts: 42
Posted:
Our HOA charges the home owner the cost of the lien for it to be released when the dues are paid. We have a management company and the attorneys file the liens.
LanceT (Alabama)
Posts: 121
Posted:
The cost of liens differ in each state. I was told that in California that liens do not cost an association money to file. However, in my state of Alabama it costs about $300 to file. Usually an attorney does it.
Here's what you need to keep in mind about filing liens. They do cost the HOA money to do in most cases. For example: Our HOA voted and at 6 months it is automatic lien. Our monthly dues are $50 and late fees are $20. After 6 months the amount owed would be $350. Well it would cost the HOA $300 to place a lien. A lien does NOT guarantee payment. It just means the owner of the home can NOT sale their home until their debt is paid off. So the lien can accumulate for years. However, the HOA is out $300 plus the unpaid dues money. Once the lien is paid up, the HOA is THEN reimbursed for the filing fee.
Late fees and interest charges may be exempt in some state for filing liens against. Another example: A resident in our HOA pays their dues consistently late and never pays their late charges. Those late charges don't go away. So after 12 months the resident is up to date on their dues but still owes the HOA $240. That $240 can't be liened against since it is based on FINES and NOT dues owed.
Another legal way for a HOA to place a lien on property, is for work the HOA may have done to the property that wasn't paid for. Example: The homeowner paints their home a color that is NOT approved by the ACC. The HOA can come in and repaint the house, and send that bill to the member. If that member does not pay, then the HOA can place a lien for that money owed. This is different than a Fine which is NOT a basis for placing a lien on any property. (Can't place a lien on property for parking violations etc...)
IMO a HOA should NEVER try to collect monies in small claims court. That is because a lawsuit only gives the HOA a JUDGEMENT. A JUDGEMENT is NOT money. It just a record showing that person owes the money. Most of the time the money in the award does NOT accummulate (it's a set amount) and the homeowner can SELL their home without paying any money. A lien is still a JUDGEMENT but it does accumulate to the day it's paid AND the owner can NOT sell their property. Would you rather the owner stayed and paid or could leave and owe?
Liens do work and they work well when applied properly. I've gone as far as foreclosing. Once you start placing liens do be prepared to take the ultimate step of foreclosure. People will call your bluff if you don't.

Recovering Ex-President of a HOA
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Our monthly fees are due on the 1st on the 15th we charge a $35.00 late fee. At 30 days we suspend the homeowners' right to use the pool and exercise room and their voting privileges. After 90 days we turn them over to our attorney who specializes in collections, he files the lien. He also adds his fee which is 50% of all amounts due the Association, including past and future fees, assessments, late charges, lien fees, and court costs will be assessed until the owner’s account is brought current.

This means that if the homeowner owes us $1,000.00 in past due fees and court costs it will cost them $1,500.00 + the filing fees to get current and ALL of their ongoing fees will increase by 50% until they're current. If they continue not to pay the attorney will foreclose as soon as allowed by law. As soon as the foreclosure is filed the homeowner is also subject to an additional assessment for the reasonable rental value of their property.

This costs the Association nothing because the homeowner pays the attorney fees or the attorney gets his money when the property is sold at sheriff's sale. However we do have one property who owes more than it's worth and we're paying the attorney to force the sheriff's sale to get the deadbeat out and someone new in. Do I feel bad about forcing someone out of their home? No I do not; this is someone who has made a conscience decision to mooch of the hardworking people who do pay their assessments each month.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Glen:

Would you feel bad if that person lost a job, or was in a car accident or any accident and couldn't work, or lost a spouse to death and just couldn't afford the fees anymore? Maybe they are trying to sell, but most times it takes more than a couple months to sell a home. Not all people who don't pay their fees are moochers, some run into bad luck. I hope that if I am in that position (and I think we all would) my association would work with me until I can get on my feet again instead of turning its back on me.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Posted By BradP on 01/25/2007 9:52 AM

Glen:

Would you feel bad if that person lost a job, or was in a car accident or any accident and couldn't work, or lost a spouse to death and just couldn't afford the fees anymore? Maybe they are trying to sell, but most times it takes more than a couple months to sell a home. Not all people who don't pay their fees are moochers, some run into bad luck. I hope that if I am in that position (and I think we all would) my association would work with me until I can get on my feet again instead of turning its back on me.


Of course I would feel bad and we have made arrangements on a case by case basis IF a homeowner contacts the BOD and explains what is going on and requests it. But most people don't ever make the effort, they just don't pay and it is not my job to go ask them why they're not paying and may even be illegal under the Fair Debt Collection laws.

To tie a couple of threads together: In the eighties after going through a divorce, the company I owned went out of business (bankruptcy-business & personal) because the Government was slow on paying their bills. Mind you that didn't matter to the IRS who wanted their money right now, even though the Government owed me more than I owed them.

I owned two houses (13+% adjustable-remember those) with my parents who then died and I was unable to find anything more than minimum wage jobs (loved the 80's). I worked three at the time and couldn't keep up. Guess what I lost the houses followed by everything else a couple of years later in an apartment fire with no insurance. I'm now on SS Disability due to a work injury. So when I say I've been there and understand hard luck or poor planning I mean it.

But the Association is not a Social Service organization nor is it a lending institution and if you operate it as one, you're in violation of your fiduciary responsibility; if you want to be charitable with your own funds, then God Bless but don't do it with other peoples money. What happens if while you're "being understanding" you don't have enough funds coming in to meet your Associations needs? Do you dip into reserves, take out a loan or special assess the people who are paying? Or you could explain to the people your Association owes that they just need to be understanding.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Glen:

I have never said that you need to take out a loan or special assess anyone. I said I like the idea and applauded Lance for doing it, however, our association has never waived a late fee or anyones dues since I have been here. I like the idea and if the unfortunate situation came before me I would ask the homeowners and the board their thoughts. If they approve then I see no problem with it, but I don't go out on a limb and do things by myself. All I am saying is that giving back a little bit to a homeowner in a time of need (like a death) can go a long way in the future. Perhaps this person who stopped paying their assessments after a death two years ago is upset because all she felt like was the association cared about was money. If you have given her a month of grace things she might have been grateful for the gesture and paid again. We don't know, you never know, just food for thought. I see your side and respect your opinions, hope you will do the same with mine.
GloriaM (North Carolina)
Posts: 829
Posted:
In some states if you are a corporation, you must be represented by counsel. I would start there and check with your state laws. Second your state will have a collection law as well, all HOA's must follow their state's collection laws being careful not to violate them. Also you have to follow your state's planned community act. Our state North Carolina, just amended their Planned Community Act to allow HOA's, POA' SOA's etc., to bill only $20.00 per month late fee for any unpaid balance, unless their CCR's specifically spell out a late charge fee amount. Once an owner becomes late, they would require a late notice sent. If they do not pay a 30-day final notice should be sent. Then a lien filed in accordance with your state's laws.

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