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MichaelJ8 (Illinois)
Posts: 113
Posted:
Our Condo association is thinking of hiring an accountant. The way he described it to me was this: As treasure I would go ahead and collect and deposit the monthly fees and pay the bills. I was then told to bring the monthly checking account statement from the bank to him. The other way was for him to do it all. He would also do the 1120H filing. Any guidance would be helpful. I have done the above for 2 1/2 years (exempt the 1120H) and am tired of it. Nobody and I mean nobody will volunteer. Thanks
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
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Next question I would have is.... how much are you going to charge?

If he is going to do "it all" you need to lay out specifically what he is going to do and not do so there are no surprises.
MichaelJ8 (Illinois)
Posts: 113
Posted:
He said that if I went ahead and collected the fees and paid the bills he would charge around $100.00. $200 hundred if he did it all. There are 16 owneres paying fees.
CarolF (Florida)
Posts: 435
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just curious about the size of your condo association.
Also, I don't understand Steve's question "How much are you going to charge?" I think Michael is the treasurer of the association, and is not being paid.
CarolF (Florida)
Posts: 435
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we were writing at the same time........but your reply got in first.
MoM1 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 56
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So basically you are talking collecting, posting into some sort of accounting program, and depositing 16 checks and write out what 12 checks a month to pay the bills, and then reconcile the bank statement. You are looking at about 1 hr a month worth of work and this accountant wants $200! Can I apply for this job? LOL Keep looking
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
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Also, I don't understand Steve's question "How much are you going to charge?" I think Michael is the treasurer of the association, and is not being paid.

The question was directed toward the accountant. Not the treasurer.

There is a lot more to paying bills than looking at the bill and writing a check.....

Is this a legitimate bill?
Is the amount correct?
Was the work completed? satisfactory?
Etc.

The hardest part about being treasurer is making sure the bills are valid. Going online bill pay, typing in a $$ amount, and clicking send check is so easy and takes two seconds.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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I would want to know more details. Are they insured and for how much? Our contractors must have atleast a 1 Million dollar insurance policy. Do they have proof of a business license? Can automatic deposit be set up with the bank your going to use? Do you need to pay for their supplies such as ledgers, checks, and other tools? Our check ledger supplies cost about $500 - $700 annually. They were special checks that required a two-signature system.

Speaking of a two-system check system. Will your HOA want to do this? We had to have the signature of the accountant and 2 board members. It was usually the Officer's of the HOA. They had to have a signature card on file at the bank in order to sign. This provided assurance that the checks written were reviewed and agreed upon by the board prior to being issued/cashed.

Will your HOA be able to afford this service? That is the most important part. Will there need to be a raise in dues to cover this additional cost? How will they collect the dues and enforce late fees?

We had an accountant for our HOA instead of a treasurer. The Accountant company owner was a member of our HOA. It was a good relationship and worth having. You just want to make sure you have reviewed the details prior to hiring. Only sign a 1 year contract even if offered a discount for multiple years. You want to make sure your HOA has an "out" in case things don't work out as planned.

Former HOA President
MichaelJ8 (Illinois)
Posts: 113
Posted:
Thanks Melissa, Very good points that I had not considered. Will have to think long and hard about this. Thanks
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
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Do you need to pay for their supplies such as ledgers, checks, and other tools? Our check ledger supplies cost about $500 - $700 annually. They were special checks that required a two-signature system.


Kind of a waste of money. The banks cashing the checks dont care if there are 2 signatures or not, your own bank doesn't care if there are 2 signatures or not. Two signatures is a false sense of security. You could achieve the same control by having 2 people in the HOA just sign the bill signifying you looked at it and approve it.

We use online bill pay from our bank to cut checks to vendors. Cost? Free.
Ledger? Free. Electronic. If you hard copies for proof, the bank mails statements each month, no charge.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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Not all banks are created equal. Ours did in fact check signatures. They have rejected one's with not enough signatures in them. Each accounting firm is different. There are various software programs out there. However, there could be costs associated with that.

Postage costs are another major cost associated with having an accountant/MC. It cost money to mail out notices. Not everyone can do things electronically. So be aware of costs associated with mailings, copies, and similar supplies.

It is an OPTION to have the 2 signature rule. Alot of HOA's do this process. It's not necessary or required. However, if your HOA wants to add this due to having a third party involved (accountant) then I would look into that as an option. There's always good and bad associated with every such option. It's what your HOA feels comfortable with.

Former HOA President
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
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There are various software programs out there. However, there could be costs associated with that.


We use mint.com to monitor the finances. Its free. I recommend it even if you have a management company. You can even set it up to notify you by email or SMS every time a check is cashed, or written from online bill pay, etc. I have ours setup to notify multiple board members for every transaction over $1. Its best that everyone aware of the finances immediately instead of surprises at the end of the quater or end of the year.
BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
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Posted By MoM1 on 10/22/2011 6:27 PM
So basically you are talking collecting, posting into some sort of accounting program, and depositing 16 checks and write out what 12 checks a month to pay the bills, and then reconcile the bank statement. You are looking at about 1 hr a month worth of work and this accountant wants $200! Can I apply for this job? LOL Keep looking

Earlier this year when we were checking into hiring an outside bookkeeper, I called a CPA firm. They gave an estimate of $75.00 per hr and gave us a monthly price of between $150.00 and $200.00. They would do all the billing. (We are a 43 unit condominium) I would have to review their bid, but if I remember correctly we would deposit the checks. This was much less than any of the 4 or 5 other places I called.
We currently have an inhouse to soon be former Board member. She has given her resignation from the Board to the President, it is just not officlal yet. I will reccommend that she continue being bookkeeper until the end of her contract.

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