VaH (Washington)
Posts: 4
Posts: 4
Posted:
BruceF1/CT - you wrote (to TerryJ1/MD)
Does your bylaws specify the size of the board? Also, does your bylaws identify the officers and their duties? Typically, these are only the president, vice president, secretary and treasurer. Does your bylaws permit the board to create other officer positions beyond these four?
If your HOA is typical, I'm guessing your bylaws fix the size of the board at 5 or 7 members, with only four officers. The other two "offices" you identified sound to me like committee chairs. How are they elected? If they are not really board members, they do not count for a quorum, and have no vote at board meetings.
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QUESTION - We have a different situation, 10 owners...our bylaws say we "shall" have 5 members. I understand from this board that SHALL = MUST
At our Annaul HOA meeting, the Pres. had (previously) met with the attorney, somehow or other they came up with getting 2 more people on the Board with what they are referring to as "At will" "At Large" "in name only".......these new people insisted that they wanted no responsibilities...but it seems that our hands are sort of "tied" here if our bylaws say we must have 5, right? THese new people to the Board would not take any titles, Our President, is also our Treasurer. We had a VP and I was the secretary.......for the past year we HAD been operating with the 3 of us but then the Pres went and had this meeting with the attorney (didn't notify either of the other 2 Board members, and yes, we had an agreement about this and yes, I can back it up with the other board member) the atty insisted that we must be in compliance...ok, I can deal with that....however,
I took the whole thing, and so did the VP....to mean just what was said at the meeting...that this was being done to appease our laws.....but the very next day the President was sending a host of held items that needed to be voted on.
THe emails started ...only NOW, they were cloaked. BY this I mean that our Board HAD been operating in an "open-fashion"...we were able to see what each other was saying and doing a "reply all"....suddenly with these new people, some new people decided that they didn't want to operate in an open fashion and wanted to 'shun' others and began emailing the president privately. WHen I saw this, I called the president on it. I was told too bad, this is the way it is. Next thing was whatever we were voting on...the president was tallying the responses, writing the answers in her own hand and telling us what outcome was.
Is this how Boards operate?
if we all "trust" the president I suppose this might be ok somehwere/someplace...but it just doesn't seem appropriate and certainly not "open" and it definitely did not feel RIGHT. Like I said I called the president on it, and THEN I called the HOA attorney.
THis entire incident of members "voted on(to the Board), who would not take positions,was at the request of the president and our HOA attorney, and them not having any responsibilities other than VOTING rights seemed insane to me. When I went and read items online referring to "at will" "at large" "in name only"....everything I read, said -No Voting powers - ...I pointed this out and again was told I am completely wrong.....
is there anything any place that details this out? Roberts Rules....something? When I emailed the President about it, she was quite gruff and said they get to vote, period.
When you have board members shunning other Board members....well, it sets the entire HOA Board up for a complete disaster (my opinion). It is THIS that I felt was so wrong and so I contacted the attorney...this is "THE" incident, from my post the other day, that is causing the attorney fee to be put on my personal bill....the attorney told me, that the president can do, pretty much, whatever she wants????
Had I known any of this I would not have re-run for the position I held. It just felt so wrong and was so nasty that ended up quitting the Board because not only was this going on but the fact that the Pres. didn't have Board permission to, as she said ....I just asked him questions as they popped into my head.....she had permission to ask about Items 1,2,3 that we, as a Board had been discussing for the year and needed answers to.......next thing I know, things are coming out at the HOA where she is telling us that she asked the HOA attorney if people who are in arrears can even serve on the Board??????? I am one of the people that this answer would affect. But! I pay my dues EACH and every month along with penalties/interest and the association earns an extra couple hundred dollars per year....but she stated at the Annual meeting that, she personall feels, that the Board must set an example so she'd prefer anyone who can't get their dues in by the 1st ...apparently...to not be on the Board.
So...I am asking again....if the President can go "off course" and incur bills for an on behalf os the association and as she is the Treasurer and submitted the bill for payment to the CPA........why can the President go off course and discuss items off the topic list, so to speak....
Yet...when I call the HOA Attorney and inquire "are the actions of the president legal" and we talk about nothing other than HER....how can the Board VOTE to put this on my personal tab.
Does your bylaws specify the size of the board? Also, does your bylaws identify the officers and their duties? Typically, these are only the president, vice president, secretary and treasurer. Does your bylaws permit the board to create other officer positions beyond these four?
If your HOA is typical, I'm guessing your bylaws fix the size of the board at 5 or 7 members, with only four officers. The other two "offices" you identified sound to me like committee chairs. How are they elected? If they are not really board members, they do not count for a quorum, and have no vote at board meetings.
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QUESTION - We have a different situation, 10 owners...our bylaws say we "shall" have 5 members. I understand from this board that SHALL = MUST
At our Annaul HOA meeting, the Pres. had (previously) met with the attorney, somehow or other they came up with getting 2 more people on the Board with what they are referring to as "At will" "At Large" "in name only".......these new people insisted that they wanted no responsibilities...but it seems that our hands are sort of "tied" here if our bylaws say we must have 5, right? THese new people to the Board would not take any titles, Our President, is also our Treasurer. We had a VP and I was the secretary.......for the past year we HAD been operating with the 3 of us but then the Pres went and had this meeting with the attorney (didn't notify either of the other 2 Board members, and yes, we had an agreement about this and yes, I can back it up with the other board member) the atty insisted that we must be in compliance...ok, I can deal with that....however,
I took the whole thing, and so did the VP....to mean just what was said at the meeting...that this was being done to appease our laws.....but the very next day the President was sending a host of held items that needed to be voted on.
THe emails started ...only NOW, they were cloaked. BY this I mean that our Board HAD been operating in an "open-fashion"...we were able to see what each other was saying and doing a "reply all"....suddenly with these new people, some new people decided that they didn't want to operate in an open fashion and wanted to 'shun' others and began emailing the president privately. WHen I saw this, I called the president on it. I was told too bad, this is the way it is. Next thing was whatever we were voting on...the president was tallying the responses, writing the answers in her own hand and telling us what outcome was.
Is this how Boards operate?
if we all "trust" the president I suppose this might be ok somehwere/someplace...but it just doesn't seem appropriate and certainly not "open" and it definitely did not feel RIGHT. Like I said I called the president on it, and THEN I called the HOA attorney.
THis entire incident of members "voted on(to the Board), who would not take positions,was at the request of the president and our HOA attorney, and them not having any responsibilities other than VOTING rights seemed insane to me. When I went and read items online referring to "at will" "at large" "in name only"....everything I read, said -No Voting powers - ...I pointed this out and again was told I am completely wrong.....
is there anything any place that details this out? Roberts Rules....something? When I emailed the President about it, she was quite gruff and said they get to vote, period.
When you have board members shunning other Board members....well, it sets the entire HOA Board up for a complete disaster (my opinion). It is THIS that I felt was so wrong and so I contacted the attorney...this is "THE" incident, from my post the other day, that is causing the attorney fee to be put on my personal bill....the attorney told me, that the president can do, pretty much, whatever she wants????
Had I known any of this I would not have re-run for the position I held. It just felt so wrong and was so nasty that ended up quitting the Board because not only was this going on but the fact that the Pres. didn't have Board permission to, as she said ....I just asked him questions as they popped into my head.....she had permission to ask about Items 1,2,3 that we, as a Board had been discussing for the year and needed answers to.......next thing I know, things are coming out at the HOA where she is telling us that she asked the HOA attorney if people who are in arrears can even serve on the Board??????? I am one of the people that this answer would affect. But! I pay my dues EACH and every month along with penalties/interest and the association earns an extra couple hundred dollars per year....but she stated at the Annual meeting that, she personall feels, that the Board must set an example so she'd prefer anyone who can't get their dues in by the 1st ...apparently...to not be on the Board.
So...I am asking again....if the President can go "off course" and incur bills for an on behalf os the association and as she is the Treasurer and submitted the bill for payment to the CPA........why can the President go off course and discuss items off the topic list, so to speak....
Yet...when I call the HOA Attorney and inquire "are the actions of the president legal" and we talk about nothing other than HER....how can the Board VOTE to put this on my personal tab.