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TerryJ1 (Maryland)
Posts: 42
Posted:
The 9 person HOA board I am on has decided that decisions made outside of a monthly meeting will only be voted on by the 6 officiers of the board (pres, vp, sec, treas, arc, comm affairs). There was no announcement of this decision - I just happened to discover this new policy by accident. I am one of the 3 non-officers. It is all part of an intentional exclusionary effort by the majority of the board.

To me it is clearly wrong. It makes no sense that only a subsection of the board votes on issues. The 9 people of the board were elected by the community and should all have an equal vote when it comes to decisions.

CCR wise I see a section that says decisions made outside of the monthly meeting can only be made with a majority of board voting in favor and recorded in writing. While none of thes decisions are ever done in writing or recorded in any kind of minutes (which is also clearly wrong) you could say that the 6 affirmative votes from the officers represent the majority of the board (and they always vote the same, so there is no tie-break or non majortity concern). I don't think it is in the spirit of the CCR, but does the officer only vote violate the CCRs?

It is a tough battle when 2 board members, who are viewed as outsiders, have to go against 6 board memebers who feel they rule the community alone.

Any thoughts?
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
Officers have no vote on a board. Only DIRECTORS do. That's why it is called a board of DIRECTORS.

Also, your bylaws specify how the board is to vote. Voting in any other manner is a violation of the bylaws and renders such votes null and void.

Your attorney would like advise your board not to vote in the manner they have suggested.
TerryJ1 (Maryland)
Posts: 42
Posted:
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Posted By BruceF1 on 10/21/2011 10:12 AM
Officers have no vote on a board. Only DIRECTORS do. That's why it is called a board of DIRECTORS.

Also, your bylaws specify how the board is to vote. Voting in any other manner is a violation of the bylaws and renders such votes null and void.

Your attorney would like advise your board not to vote in the manner they have suggested.

I can't find anything in our by-laws that specifically mentions how votes should take place. The only thing close I see is that and action can be approved if the majority of the board agrees to it. Obviously the intent is the whole board votes on it at the same time, but could an argument be made that if 6 people vote in favor of something, there is no need to have teh other three vote?
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
check around your by-laws for rules regarding proper meeting notices, etc.. Or, subsequently, any state open meeting laws that apply to HOA's (not all do).

Business being conducted outside of a board meeting may be illegal, or frowned upon (it may not be as well). Typically, however, actions and decisions taken outside of legal meetings will generally get a board in trouble, somewhere, sometime, somehow.

BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
Terry,

You might also want to check your state laws regarding corporations. Many HOAs are incorporated and must abide by state corporation laws.

Your board may not realize it, but if they are not conforming to state laws and your association's governing documents, they are placing themselves (as a board and individually) and the entire association (meaning everybody) at risk.

If someone decides to challenge in court an action that was taken by the board and it was not in accordance with the law or the association's documents, the board, the members voting for the action, and/or the association, could find themselves on the losing end of a lawsuit. Furthermore, if it is determined that the violation of the HOA's documents and/or the law was intentional, the association's D&O insurance could refuse to defend any lawsuit and pay any settlement costs, leaving the board members (and possibly the association members) personally liable for footing the bill.

Best to avoid the risk and vote only at duly noticed meetings (regular or special) with a quorum present.
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
Terry,

I'm also curious about your board size and your "officers." A 9-member board sounds rather large, and two of the "officers" you mentioned are uncommon.

Does your bylaws specify the size of the board? Also, does your bylaws identify the officers and their duties? Typically, these are only the president, vice president, secretary and treasurer. Does your bylaws permit the board to create other officer positions beyond these four?

If your HOA is typical, I'm guessing your bylaws fix the size of the board at 5 or 7 members, with only four officers. The other two "offices" you identified sound to me like committee chairs. How are they elected? If they are not really board members, they do not count for a quorum, and have no vote at board meetings.

Of course, your HOA could be atypical.
JohnM48 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 89
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Posted By BruceF1 on 10/21/2011 1:54 PM
Terry,

I'm also curious about your board size and your "officers." A 9-member board sounds rather large, and two of the "officers" you mentioned are uncommon.

Obviously I can't speak for Terry, but our bylaws specify a 9-member board. The also specify the four common officers but also allow the board to establish additional officer positions as it deems fit.

Granted, we are not typical.

Association President
TerryJ1 (Maryland)
Posts: 42
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Posted By JohnM48 on 10/21/2011 3:22 PM
Posted By BruceF1 on 10/21/2011 1:54 PM
Terry,

I'm also curious about your board size and your "officers." A 9-member board sounds rather large, and two of the "officers" you mentioned are uncommon.


Obviously I can't speak for Terry, but our bylaws specify a 9-member board. The also specify the four common officers but also allow the board to establish additional officer positions as it deems fit.

Granted, we are not typical.

This is the case with our board - 9 members, 4 official "officers", and the ability to establish additional "officers" as deemed necessary. These officer positions are all voted on by the 9 board members. Of course "outsiders" have no chance of an "officer" positions as the "big 6" stick together.

Unfortunately there is so much apathy in our community that despite many homeowners who are unhappy with the current board almost none are willing to run for a board position.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
The Board makes decisions.
The Officers implement those decisions.

That said, it sounds like your board is trying to get around some law (perhaps notice requirements or open meetings). I don't know of any statute that prevents a board from delegating authority for decisions down to Officers or Committees.

Tim

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