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ReneeZ (Colorado)
Posts: 18
Posted:
I have reached the point with my HOA that I have formerly requested mediation. I am wondering how a mediator is selected and what are the things I should be aware of in this process? I am also thinking that maybe I should have just skipped this step because it will result in additional legal costs. Thoughts? I should also comment that they have not responded to my request.
PetunkaM (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
Gosh, I have no experience with this process at all. In Florida mediation is governed by state law and not all disputes are eligible for mediation. Here I found a paragraph written by a Colorado attorney and it seems mediation in Colorado is governed by the Assocation documents?

'Mediation/ Arbitration. Some Association’s governing documents require mediation/ arbitration instead of pursuing a lawsuit. Generally this is in front of a third party mediator who makes a decision after both sides have had a chance to state their case. This can be non-binding or binding, depending on the documents and what the parties agree too. Non-binding mediation is typically informal, while a binding arbitration can resemble a complex lawsuit.

Pros: Mediation is more neighborly and less confrontational than a lawsuit; effective if you have a good mediator.

Cons: Can be expensive (for both attorney and mediator time); not effective in situations where there is no middle ground (the pink house must be repainted).'

http://www.cohoalaw.com/covenant-enforcement-options-in-covenant-enforcement.html

PetunkaM (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
Has this bill passed?

'Unintended consequences for HOAs if the Restorative Mediation bill passes?

SB11-013, the Restorative Mediation bill, continues moving through the Legislature. The intent of this bill is to specifically include this specific kind of mediation as an approved form of dispute resolution under the Dispute Resolution Act, CRS 13-22-302 et. seq.

Restorative mediation has long been popular in the juvenile justice arena. For example, instead of detention, an offender might apologize and provide restorative services to their victim.

It is possible that restorative mediation could be a useful technique for resolving some kinds of community association law suits. However, we are concerned that if this bill passes, it could have unintended consequences for HOAs. Perhaps this bill could give "high conflict" homeowners another tactic for continuing to engage in disruptive behavior with their association, by seeking apologies and restoration for perceived wrongs.

Fortunately, the bill has been amended to limit potential abuse: it REQUIRES both parties to a restorative mediation to agree to participate, and any apology would be inadmissible in future law suits. '
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Renee, The Colorado Common Interest Ownership Act (CCIOA) provides for your right to request a hearing. It does not specify that a professinal mediator be hired. Ofter the Board appoints a Hearing Committee who hears testimony from you and any witnessess on your behalf and testimony from those claiming you violated one or more restrictions. Afterward they may ask questions and then render a verdict after the hearing. The HOAs we manage do not charge for this Hearing.
PetunkaM (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
Roger,

Does not request for mediation differ from a committee hearing?
ReneeZ (Colorado)
Posts: 18
Posted:
Thank you all for your responses. We did have a hearing. It was me and the BOD. They let me speak, they provided very little explanation or dialog and then sent me a letter saying they were holding firm. So now I am requesting mediation. But I am concerned it is just a waste of money. I don't think there is a middle ground. Our BOD adopted a new rule which prohibits parking of recreational vehicles greater than a certain size. Just so happens that the new rule allows the current President of the BOD to park her trailer. The document that this new rule was added to was the new document that was adopted to have the 9 policies required by ccioa. This document is not a recorded document and this parking restriction is in no way embedded in the Declaration anywhere. Our declaration requires 2/3rd owner vote to amend. They claim they can adopt any new rule as long as it is reasonable and not contrary to the Declaration. Being that we have a section dedicated to property use and restrictions in the Declaration that lists many things that are restricted and parking of recreational items is not prohibited. I think their view is that as long as the Declaration does not specifically allow it then prohibiting it is not contrary. This community is in a recreational area and the Declaration does allow the use of motorbikes and snowmobiles with speed limitations but it does not restrict parking of any of these type of items. It seems logical that if they want to adopt a new rule that prohibits something that they need to go to Owner vote and amend the recorded documents to ensure that new property purchasers are aware of all of th restrictions. Anyway that is the history and they still have not responded to my request for mediation. Very frustrating. Thanks
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Does either your community documents or state law require the HOA to participate in mediation? If not then there may not be much point in pursuing mediation.

BTW, mediation is not the same as arbitration. Mediation is the use of a third party to come to a mutually acceptable agreement. Arbitration is more court-like and results in an adjudication of the merits of the case.

I would think that mediation would not be well-suited for the nature of your dispute but,if required, should be pursued as one generally must exhaust his administrative remedies before turning to the courts.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Mediation is similar to a court hearing but more relaxed.

The Mediator should listen to both sides, ask questions and try to work out an arrangement that pleases both sides. If neither side is willing to budge, the Mediator will then make a decision.

Depending on the paperwork signed ahead of time, the mediation may or may not be binding. If it is not binding, you may still take the issue to the courts.

The most important part of mediation is picking the mediator. Some are lawyers, some are certified mediators, some are retired judges. Make sure that the mediator is to be someone both sides agree to and not chosen by one side or the other.

Here are a couple of web sites that might help:

Mediation: Ten Rules for Success from NOLO web site.

The Mediation Association of Colorado

ReneeZ (Colorado)
Posts: 18
Posted:
I read the document to Just suggest mediation. If I don't mediate what grounds do I sue them on? Maybe file a Declaratoy Judgement to have a judge review the case?
ReneeZ (Colorado)
Posts: 18
Posted:
My concern is that there is no middle ground to agree on. I have discussed the matter with an attorney and I think he thinks in most cases the mediation is just a costly step. I did request mediation but they have not responded so I could probably say never mind and just have my attorney move forward. I requested mediation via email and I wonder if that is why they are ignoring me?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Renee,

If the vehicle parking is on the common area, then the Association probably does have the authority to specify parking restrictions. It may or may not be considered selective enforcement by allowing the Presidents vehicle and not others (depends on how the rule was written).

There was a court case, that I can't locate, which took the approach that if it wasn't in the Covenants then it couldn't just be denied. However, I don't think that will work in this case if you are talking about common area.

ReneeZ (Colorado)
Posts: 18
Posted:
We have a acre site. We would park by the side of our house in a designated parking spot. Would that be considered moon area?
ReneeZ (Colorado)
Posts: 18
Posted:
Common area. Oops!
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Probably not. I also agree with you that it would be logical to think it wouldn't be an issue parking your RV there. However, other HOA's have been able to enforce parking restrictions.

You might want to see if the Board would be open to the idea of you building a fence around the vehicle to shield it from view. This could be the middle ground that could resolve the issue.

ReneeZ (Colorado)
Posts: 18
Posted:
Tried that already. They said no. Seems odd to e that they can just adopt rules that are not covered by the Declaration. Many of the R&R,s that I have reviewed for other HOA's are recorded documents. In our case they are not recorded so if they are allowed to continue to had property use restrictions that are not mentioned in the Declaration then how would a property buyer ever know what the restrictions were? Based on things I have read I thought R&R's were just enhancements to things that were in the Declaration?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Do you know what it is they are trying to prevent with the rule (that is, what aesthetic condition, parking issue, etc.)?

You are right that typically rules govern the common areas.
ReneeZ (Colorado)
Posts: 18
Posted:
I think they are concerned that the owners will start parking more recreational items than they want. The area has 3 lakes, snowmobile trails, atv trails etc....... So they passed a rule that limits you to one item that is in season and less than 20 feet. This criteria met the need of the presidents 2place snowmobile trailer. She parks it right in the front of her house off to the side. Owners have been parking recreational items up until they passed this new rule at the end off 2010. Many owners are very upset but no one has really challenged them. We have 3 owners that have put their homes up for sale because this has caused hatefulness between the neighbors. We actually purchased in the area because they had a HOA that would demand neatness but did not restrict the recreational items. Also we are not trying to park a RV it is a 4place trailer. I would accept the new rule if they had gone out o the Owners and did a vote but they insist that they do not need to.
PetunkaM (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
Renee,
The BOD is indeed authorized to pass ‘reasonable’ rules without the owners vote. Is the size limit ‘reasonable rule’? I would think so. But, it would be helpful to cite what your covenants state about trailer and RV parking.

Let me give you an example. Our covenants state we must obey a speed limit… but they do not state what the speed limit is. The Rule however states we must obey a speed limit of 15MPH. Is that a reasonable rule? Or, would 20mph be less restrictive and consequently more ‘reasonable’?
ReneeZ (Colorado)
Posts: 18
Posted:
Our covenant does not mention parking of recreational items at all. It does however mention the use of them because it is a recreational area. This community is for the most part a second home mountain community. There is a parking section in the covenants that states no home shall be built without a least two designated parking areas for motor vehicles. And then something about limited parking on the public street during the winter due to snow removal. I don't have the exact words with me but the parking section only addresses those two areas. The property use and restrictions section has great detail around what types of things are restricted and does not mention parking or storing of recreational items. Being that this area is known for it's recreational attributes you would think if it was intended to not be allowed it would be addressed in the covenants. The BOD just added it to the new policy and procedures when they were adding the 9 policies that were required by the Colorado Ommon Interest Ownership Act. This document they created is not recorded so you don't get a copy of it u til after you are already an owner of the property. We bought in this area because after reading the covenants we liked the fact that a HOA would ensure that properties were well kept but it did not restrict the use of recreational items. This is a 60 unit community with dirt roads with very close access to multiple lakes, reservoirs, national forest access, snowmobiling, atv trails....... The area is know for it's proximity to an outdoor lifestyle. The covenants does prohibit horses and that is because one might would think they were allowed if it was not clear they were prohibited. That is why this is so frustrating because the BOD just made a rule to accommodate their recreational parking needs while restricting what others would like. Anyway I have secured a lawyer and am ready to take thenext step but in a manner to minimize the cost I am wondering if mediation is the best step or if it is best to go straight to the courts.
PetunkaM (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
If there is no definition of ‘motor vehicles’ anywhere it is a difficult situation.

Perhaps an attorney can just write a letter to the Board challenging the ‘reasonableness’ of this rule. Or, would a letter from you to the members asking to sign a petition to bring it up to the vote do any good? I do not know if mediation would work nor do I know how much it would cost. And, since the BOD did not respond to your request, I would probably go directly to court unless I exhausted all other options.

Also, a hearing by the Board seems rather unusual and usually is not considered ‘fair’. The hearing should be done by an independent Committee but Roger has already said that.
ReneeZ (Colorado)
Posts: 18
Posted:
My snowmobile trailer that I am trying to park has no motor so I don't see how motor venicle applies to that. Thanks for your input. They are very stubborn so I think I am off to court. Thanks
PetunkaM (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
My apologies, I overlooked that fact.

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