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MichaelK11 (Texas)
Posts: 432
Posted:
Our neighborhood has undeveloped green belt across from us. Instead of a grid of streets open to arterial roads and other neighborhoods, we have 4 entries. As such, we are somewhat isolated and have the lowest crime rate in a major metropolitan suburban sprawl.

Over the next ten years, the green belt will probably be developed. We will get a lot more traffic along the main roads bordering our neighborhood. We can expect increasing drive-through traffic as those roads become parking lots during rush hour. Most important, we can expect more crime.

I chair the HOA Planning Committee. I think the most important thing we can do is to get ahead of that wave and mitigate the inevitable.

We have a volunteer Crime Watch patrol supervised and run by the police department. We will probably choose to hire some sort of paid security between Midnight and 6 AM in about 5 years. (Probably a neighbor, as an extension of the Crime Watch, rather than uniformed guards.)

Some neighbors suggest we become a gated community, but this is simply not feasible.

Drive-through can be mitigated by asking the police to strictly enforce traffic laws in our neighborhood during rush hour periods.

We are considering placement of video cameras at the four entrances to the neighborhood. The idea is to record every license plate that enters and leaves the community 24x7 and retain for at least 48 hours. (We could archive for much longer.) After any burglary or other incident, the police can request the feed for the appropriate period.

We will probably put up dummy cameras (i.e., shells, not functioning equipment) for about six months to see what kind of response we get. Neighbors generally won't respond to any notice (e.g., "We are going to place video cameras to record whenever you enter or leave the neighborhood! Everyone, please tell us what you think about this before we invest in it!"). Later, when they notice something or take an interest, some complain bitterly that we didn't tell them, didn't ask what they thought, made a decision for the neighborhood, etc.

Anyway, I'm looking for other ideas, other measures we could take, and especially thoughts about the vid cams. Of course, we need to let the neighborhood know and get feedback before we put in working cameras. Do we need 100% buy-in? Are there legal issues, especially privacy issues? I don't think so (notwithstanding anyone can be sued for anything), but does anyone think I'm missing something?

Note: We are a community of approximately 300 single-family homes with a self-managed HOA run by a board of 7 volunteers. We have no management company and only grassy Common Areas for assets. Our dues are less than $400/yr, mostly for the watering and mowing of those Common Areas.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I would talk to your local police about ideas and what is legal. There are some areas that concern me that you posted that aren't actually beneficial or possibly illegal. Video taping is a gray area. It doesn't prevent crime as much as it allows proof a crime was committed. You pretty much have to announce there is video taping going on in order to fall within some legal grounds. Plus the cost of maintaining and purchasing the equipment comes out of the HOA's budget. Is it something it can afford to do?

My concern is having your Neighborhood watch program connected with your HOA. The Neighborhood watch should be a separate entity from your HOA. Even though they cover the same area etc..It's just the HOA shouldn't be funding a neighborhood watch program. It should be funded on it's own. You don't want to co-mingle the funds too much.

All in all, it's best to talk to your local authorities to find out your best solutions. It's great for forward thinking but make sure your also on track with law enforcement too.

Former HOA President
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
No one has any reason to expect privacy in a public area, such as a street, so there is no legal issue with taking pictures of cars, plates, or drivers.

Getting a clear picture of a license plate, especially at night, might be a challenge. Best to consult with a local video surveillance company.

I used to work in self-storage, where everybody has video cameras. The biggest problem I saw was operating the recorders. No one ever seemed to know whether the images were actually being recorded and retrieval of images was almost impossible due to the lack of training. I would therefore make sure that whatever equipment you purchase includes training whenever you need it.

There would also be no reason why you could not set up a website where your residents could watch the video in real time as it is being recorded, much like a highway cam.
PeterD3 (Florida)
Posts: 708
Posted:
Agreed Larry.

Technical issues aside for getting good license plate images, there is nothing illegal about recording IMAGES announced or unannounced. (Announcing it is occurring would likely be more a prevenative approach than not.) I also imagine phony cameras could be effective against most folks too if they are of good quality but usually look fake.

Of course there ARE some restrictions for videotaping in public such as dressing rooms, public restrooms, doctor examination rooms, etc. so let's not go off on that tangent.

Without a Court Order the SECRET recording of AUDIO on the other hand is prohibited and otherwise requires notification and in some cases permission/consent.

Most new technology will provide web-access so anyone with the URL and password can view and record the images on home computers, smartphones and tablets.

I personally have such a system and can record 8 cameras for 15 days before it begins to overwite. I can easily copy video to DVD, Flashdrive, etc. for turnover to law enforcement.

BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Michael...if you are wanting to go the video route there is no expectatino of privacy in public areas and therefore it is not against the law. Where you get into trouble with video is where someone might expect privacy, home, bathroom, changing room, etc.

Camera technology is excellent these days and allows for high quality images at a low cost. Plus technology allows you to record to a dvr for up to 2 or 3 weeks before the image is recorded over. I would suggest contacting a security firm or camera company for details. I don't think there is any expecation of signage needed, however, I would suggest putting up some signage that simply says "Video Cameras in Operations".

While there is a great debate about whether cameras actually prevent crime i think they do. Cameras keep honest people honest, criminals will do whatever they want. Cameras are becoming a mainstay in a lot of areas and are actually very affordable.
MichaelK11 (Texas)
Posts: 432
Posted:
Thanks for the very helpful comments.

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