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DavidW5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 565
Posted:
In May our association purchased a Kubota maintenance vehicle for approx. $22,000. The purchase expense was coded to a line item in our budget used for operating contingency. I believe that the reasoning was that this vehicle was not planned in the budget so the expense should be covered by the operating contingency. I don't think this is proper.

The vehicle is a capital asset. It should be depreciated. My understanding is that the purchase expense should be coded to an asset account on the balance sheet. None of the purchase cost should appear, as it currently does, on the comparative income statement and the only expense that should appear on our comparative monthly income statement is the monthly depreciation amount (plus any costs to operate, maintain and repair the vehicle).

Anyone here that is an accountant or has experience in this area - does this sound correct?

Also, the board has authorized other expenditures which were not explicitly budget for. These have also been coded to the operating contingency line item. My contention is that no expense should ever be coded to that line item. This line item is a "plug" number in our budget to account for the difference between total income and total operating expenses. Such expenses should be coded to whichever regular line item most closely corresponds to the purpose for the expenditure. If that results in the line item exceeding its budget, the overage is covered by the amounts budgeted as operating contingency.

Does that sound right?
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Depends. If the Kubota was purchased with cash in a lump sum, it would be better to just hit the budget once. There is no need to complicate your financial paperwork by depreciating it through multiple months or years. I dont see any tax advantage because your HOA is likely not-for-profit so doesn't it pay taxes anyway, thus not needing a reason to depreciate.

I agree to list it as en expense, in the month it was purchased. Very clean and easy to explain when looking at expense vs revenue.
DavidW5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 565
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Posted By SteveM9 on 09/23/2011 6:48 AM
Depends. If the Kubota was purchased with cash in a lump sum, it would be better to just hit the budget once. There is no need to complicate your financial paperwork by depreciating it through multiple months or years. I dont see any tax advantage because your HOA is likely not-for-profit so doesn't it pay taxes anyway, thus not needing a reason to depreciate.

I agree to list it as en expense, in the month it was purchased. Very clean and easy to explain when looking at expense vs revenue.

Steve,

I appreciate the response but the situation is not as simple as you assumed. We do, in fact, pay taxes on our investment earnings. We have run an operating surplus for the prior 3 years and, therefore, file 1120 instead of 1120-H. Our auditor advised that this vehicle should be treated as a capital asset because, unlike other common elements, the vehicle could be disposed of by the association. I am trying to get an understanding of the mechanics of the depreciation process.
MoM1 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 56
Posted:
The vehicle cost should be entered in a capital asset account. The association CPA or whoever does your taxes will most likely be able to write off the entire amount in one year under the depreciation account. Depreciation is one of those tax issues that Congress likes to gimmick around with every year. Right now they want businesses to buy as much stuff as they possibly can and depreciation rules are pretty liberal.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
Steve,

Don't forget to add planned maintenance of the vehicle and the replacement cost as part of your reserve funds. Your Assessments may need to go up to fund the reserves.

Tim
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
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I appreciate the response but the situation is not as simple as you assumed.


You should really talk to the person who knows more than anyone about your finances, your tax person. Otherwise you will just get ideas like mine that do not fit your specific situation.
EllieD (Vermont)
Posts: 446
Posted:
DavidW5,

Does not directly address your question – but would you explain β€œan operating surplus that requires you to file 1120 rather than 1120-H.

DavidW5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 565
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Posted By EllieD on 09/23/2011 4:41 PM
DavidW5,

Does not directly address your question – but would you explain β€œan operating surplus that requires you to file 1120 rather than 1120-H.


I think I had it backward in my earlier post. We filed our taxes using Form 1120-H. That method applies a 30% rate but only to the first $50,000 of interest income. The form 1120 filing carries only a 15% tax rate but the rate would have applied to the excess membership income as well as to the interest earned on our invested reserves. That would have been a much higher tax bill.

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