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MichaelK11 (Texas)
Posts: 432
Posted:
Someone posted a link in HOAtalk a couple of years ago for a USPS-approved locking mailbox insert.

(This is a "mailbox" with a locking door that can be installed inside of an existing mailbox. It's slightly smaller than the existing mailbox. This may be cheaper than replacing a mailbox with one having a locking door, especially where the existing mailbox is encased in a more permanent structure, such as brick or concrete.)

Our neighborhood is looking into locking mailbox alternatives. I can no longer find that post. (The HOAtalk "Forum Search" option is not very useful.) I cannot find any USPS-approved locking mailbox inserts via internet search.

Please, can anyone provide me a link to this old post or any information about locking mailbox inserts approved by the US Post Office?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Be careful about installing this. It is illegal to put anything in a mailbox that doesn't have a stamp on it. We had locked mailboxes. Our postman would replace the locks on them if we gave him a new lock. You can buy them for about $5 - $7 at Lowes.

I would always go to the post office when inquiring about mail subjects. They have their own rules and policing. Plus they probably sell what your looking for.

Former HOA President
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,044
Posted:
In doing a google search, I found the following link:

Locking Mailbox Insert

Please note the warning on their site:

Lockboxes are not specifically approved or disapproved by the post office. There have been rare cases when the use of the small size lockbox has been prohibited. Ask before you purchase.

As Melissa advised, you might want to check with your local post office.
MichaelK11 (Texas)
Posts: 432
Posted:
Melissa,

I'm not sure we are talking about the same thing. A locking mailbox insert is a smaller "mailbox" installed inside a regular mailbox. It has a door that only opens with a key and a slot for inserting mail. The idea is the postal carrier can put the mail in, but the mail can only be extracted by someone who has a key (the owner). This prevents mail theft.

These cost $40 to $200.

As far as I know, the Post Office does not sell any mailboxes or mailbox equipment.

I'm not aware of any mailbox "locks" that can be purchased at Lowes or anywhere else. If that's what you meant, then please help me understand this, so I can find them.

Did you mean that USPS-approved is not sufficient, because individual Post Offices might have their own rules? Since we are campaigning for homeowners to sign up for this en masse, we definitely intend to talk with our Postmaster about this before we commit to anything.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
We had a group mailbox with these lock box type mailboxes. The owners had a key to open from the front and the postman from the back to put the mail in. Unfornately, I believe they have stopped making these type mailboxes years ago. We couldn't find replacement parts except for the locks. Over the years they did NOT stop theft. Matter of fact, I had a paycheck stolen and other residents had their child support payments stolen. I had to deal with the Postal Inspectors. Hence why I found out all this information.

It is a federal crime to mess with a mailbox. It is considered FEDERAL property and any crimes should be addressed to the postal service and not necessarily the local authority. You can call the police for vandalism issues but theft is something that should be addressed by the postal services. They have their own police type entity.

You most likely won't find these mailboxes your looking for as they may have been phased out years ago by the postal service. You should still talk to your postal service to find an alternate solution. In our area, they allow the elderly people to have their mailboxes next to their door. Which is an item again sold at Lowes/Home Depot. It's just the mailman would have to go to the doors of the residents instead of driving down the street. Those type boxes may have locks on them if you can find them. Otherwise, most people should know it is a FEDERAL offense to mess with someone's mailbox. Plus people should STOP putting notices/sales inside mailboxes IF they don't have STAMPS on them!!!! Sorry that is a pet peeve of mine..

Former HOA President
MichaelK11 (Texas)
Posts: 432
Posted:
I see lots of approved group mailboxes advertised on-line.

How does mailbox theft happen with these? Do thieves really take the time to break into these, risking it in plain sight, when they could simply drive through other neighborhoods and rifle through unprotected mailboxes?

I am certain the Postal Inspector would/could not do anything about catching thieves who do the latter, which is the problem in my neighborhood. The postal service has been no help with locking doors or inserts, and I don't think they much care about mailbox theft.

Our mailboxes are on the street at each house.

If anyone has any information (or can find anything, which I could not) about USPS-approved locking mailbox inserts, then please reply to this thread.
JohnO6 (Georgia)
Posts: 424
Posted:
While Melissa is technically correct that it is illegal to place anything in a mailbox without having mailed it with postage (a law that was passed in the 1930s - and affirmed by the US Supreme Court in 1981 - with the express purpose to protect the financial well-being of USPS), that becomes somewhat of a moot point regarding individual (not cluster) locked mailboxes.

That's because the USPS does not have and will not accept a key to an individual locked mailbox. They only require that the "slot" for the locked box be large enough to accept your daily mail volume (this may explain the reference in Tim's post above regarding occasional USPS prohibition against the smaller size locking mailbox insert). As such, the only person who has access to retrieve anything placed in such a mailbox is the owner.

Here's from the USPS FAQs:

"Locked Mailboxes

Requesting a Locked Mailbox
The United States Postal Service does not sell or provide personal mailboxes. If you would like to obtain a locked mailbox for your residence, you are encouraged to purchase your own locked mailbox at a local store.

Note: A mailbox with a lock must have a slot that is large enough to accommodate your daily mail volume. The Postal Service neither opens a locked box nor accepts a key for this purpose."

I have some experience with this because when our HOA became self-managed, we decided to install a locked mailbox in front of our clubhouse which then became the official street address of the HOA. We invested in a heavy duty (read as several hundred dollars) locked mailbox for which only a couple of Board members have the key.

While it may be technically illegal to do so, we also have this box double as a "drop box" for residents to use to securely get anything (including monthly dues payments) to the BOD.

MichaelK11 (Texas)
Posts: 432
Posted:
Thanks, John.

I installed a locking insert in my own mailbox a few years ago. Our postal carrier repeatedly left notes to remove it, because it was not USPS-approved. He kept putting my mail in the space on top of the insert, instead of through the slot.

I asked him one day what I could do to prevent mail theft that he would find acceptable. He insisted I could get a USPS approved solution at any Lowes or Home Depot. Of course, that means replacement mailboxes, and our mailboxes are housed in brick, so that's no good. He refused to say that's what he meant, said he didn't have time to explain the obvious, said again I could get what I needed at the store.

I called a supervisor at the post office, and politely asked if the insert slowed down the carrier or otherwise made his job more difficult. The answer was clearly, "No, it's just not USPS approved."

I asked why they couldn't just go along with it, if it caused no problems and prevented mail theft. The answer was, "I can't let you do it, because if anyone asked in advance I would have to tell them No." Of course, that begs the question why he would have to tell anyone No.

Anyway, I just left it there, and eventually the carrier started putting my mail in the slot. Any magazines that don't fit easily go in the space on top of the locking insert, which makes perfect sense.

I think it's another matter if the HOA is officially asking homeowners to do this. We must first get approval from the Post Office.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
SPAM. Reported.

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