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MichaelJ8 (Illinois)
Posts: 113
Posted:
First let state how much I have appreciated your help in the past. Now the problem! We have become our own association and NOBODY wants to do the accounting. The members will Not pay for it to be done. I collected the monthly fees and paid the expenses for the condos for over 2 years while it was in the developers hands. Each year I took the finale figures to the accountant to do the taxes.
They voted me in as treasure. (Somebody had to do it, my wife likes it here). All I know how to do is to collect, pay and take numbers to accountant. The members do not care if i send them a financial statement or not. I did make one at the end of each yearf or them. I never made a budget but I will give it a shot.
Main Question, How many red flags do you see? Any help would be aprreciated.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Red Flags - None
Concerns - maybe a few

You are just on a learning curve. Filing taxes is usually fairly easy. Read the instructions and follow them (just like doing your own taxes).

What most likely need to complete:

Annual Report for the States Corporation Commission - Illinois Business Web Page
File Federal Taxes - Typically form 1120-H
File State Taxes -
Prepare Budget - Lots of templates out there
Account for income and expenses - lots of templates out there
Pay the bills
Track assessment payments
Deposit checks

Some helpful links:

HOA-USA Illinois resource center

HOATalk Thread - What are Treasurers duties

The Board Treasurer: Roles and Responsibilities in Community Associations from community association institute website.

Hope this helps,

Tim

MichaelJ8 (Illinois)
Posts: 113
Posted:
Thanks Tim, I am visiting every web site you listed.
PetunkaM (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
members do not care if i send them a financial statement or not. ..Main Question, How many red flags do you see? (Michael)

Michael,

I see one red flag. All will be well until you raise the annual dues. I can almost bet someone will want to see a financial statement. If you are willing to share your annual income and how much you are putting into reserves perhaps we can help you to outline how to structure Budget/Financial report IF you think that would be of some help.
MichaelJ8 (Illinois)
Posts: 113
Posted:
annual income is around $21,000. I just started a reserve fund with $2,000. I am afraid our budget will be tight. Any help is appreciated. I would like to put 10% each month but i am afraid the members will balk. They say they will not live long enough to use it. Most of us are in our 70's
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Quote:
I would like to put 10% each month but i am afraid the members will balk.


So do it. No one is paying attention anyway. Hehe.
MichaelJ8 (Illinois)
Posts: 113
Posted:
Good point steve
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
I just call em how I see em. (wink)
PetunkaM (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
Michael,

I thought you were only 68 (may be?)
Here is a simplified outline. Pick and choose what is applicable to you.
_____

AVAILABLE CASH ON HAND ( on the date you took over);

INCOME:
Operating Fund Income
Reserve Fund Income

OPERATING FUND EXPENSES:
1.0 Fees (Annual Corporate fee; Bank Fee ;Taxes)
2.0 Professional services (Legal; Accounting)
3.0 Insurance
4.0 Utilities (electricity; water; sanitation; sewer; cable)
5.0 Buildings and Fences (Maintenance; termite control)
6.0 Parking Areas
6.0 Landscape Maintenance (maintenance, mulch, plants; tree service)
7.0 Sprinkle System
8.0 Pool
9.0 Administrative (Supplies, postage)
10.0 Operating Reserves

TOTAL OPERATING EXPENSES

Available Operating Cash as of Dec, 31, 2011
Total Cash Available as of Dec. 31, 2011

PS: You can do a similar budget for Reserves. Write a cover memo explaining the budget; propose any increases necessary to pay expenses. This should do for a $20K budget.

BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MichaelJ8 on 09/20/2011 7:14 PM
They say they will not live long enough to use it. Most of us are in our 70's

That's a rather selfish attitude.

Two things: First, it shows no consideration for those who may live there after they pass on. More importantly, though, it shows no consideration for their children or anyone else that may inherit their home. Because of HUD, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac lending requirements, banks and other mortgage lenders look very closely to see if the reserves of HOAs are adequately funded. If they do not meet certain guidelines (usually 10$ of the annual budget), mortgage lenders may refuse to write loans for potential buyers. This means those who inherit the homes will have a difficult time finding buyers (buyers will need cash) and may end up getting stuck with a mortgage on a second home they don't need and cannot afford.
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By BruceF1 on 09/21/2011 6:37 AM
Posted By MichaelJ8 on 09/20/2011 7:14 PM
They say they will not live long enough to use it. Most of us are in our 70's

That's a rather selfish attitude.

Two things: First, it shows no consideration for those who may live there after they pass on. More importantly, though, it shows no consideration for their children or anyone else that may inherit their home. Because of HUD, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac lending requirements, banks and other mortgage lenders look very closely to see if the reserves of HOAs are adequately funded. If they do not meet certain guidelines (usually 10$ of the annual budget), mortgage lenders may refuse to write loans for potential buyers. This means those who inherit the homes will have a difficult time finding buyers (buyers will need cash) and may end up getting stuck with a mortgage on a second home they don't need and cannot afford.

Excuse the typo. Make that 10%.
PetunkaM (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
Excellent point Bruce..
Michael, as Bruce said, if no reserves no loans will be approved.;10% of the operating budget is mandatory and that is your justification. I did ask you a question regarding the un-sold homes while back.
Is the Developer obligated to pay assessments? I would think so. And, who maintains the undeveloped lots?
MichaelJ8 (Illinois)
Posts: 113
Posted:
Petunka,
Your budget example was a okay. Many items I do not need. Thanks for showing that.
The developer pays assesement fees for the unsold units. He also takes care of the empty lots.
Am truly not sure if he is obligated to pay the assesment fees. The CC's read as if he does not have to. I doubt if he has ever read them. Your are also right in the fact that I am 68. Next month is my birthday. I just thru myself in the same pot as the rest of them.
Bruce
Your are so right but to explain that to them and have them agree, I beleive it would take someone with higher power than i have.
I will be pushing to have an accountant do the bookwork. Am i wrong in thinking that I have this resposibility while the others are care free? please state your opinion.

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