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PaulaM4 (New York)
Posts: 14
Posted:
Hello everyone, i'm brand spanking new at this. The reason i'm on here is that we just signed on with a new management company. We couldn't get the former management company to turn over any clear records (they gave a disk that apparently doesn't open w/quick books). The problem is that we have 41 consistent paying homeowners and 24 totally non paying. the new management company sent out (what seemed to me) a lukewarm warning letter. Very few responses were given. My suggestion was that we contact the homeowners in arrears and arrange a meeting with the Board, offer to cut a percentage of arrears provided they start paying each and every month. Our Board Presidente thinks we can be sued for harrassment by the homeowner(s) in question. Does anyone have thoughts on this? Also, for some reason, our board president (great guy by the way) thinks that the Board is not supposed to know the homeowners that are in arrears, he believes that info is for management only. Can anyone provide their thoughts on this?

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
It is NOT a good idea to cut a deal on the dues owed. It will make it much harder to collect those dues or future owed dues of other members. Once you start making 1 deal, your stuck for life in making others... The HOA has the legal option of placing liens on the properties who owe. We had a policy of liens at 6 months and talk of foreclosure at 1 year or more. (Depending on the situation). It would be good to have a set time line of when dues are considered extremely behind to take legal action. 6 months was a good cut-off for us. It will depend on your HOA's collection schedule.

Viewing the collection reports may be the duty of the board. Releasing the information to the general membership isn't. A general number of who owes should suffice. One can see their OWN account but not really adviceable for members to see all individuals accounts. (That's another post we beat to death here recently). I would say your President may be correct about not viewing the accounts depending on how the agreement is set up with your Management company. Each agreement is different. Although most are to do what the board tells them to do. Collections is part of that area. The BOARD has to approve legal actions to take and need to know who to take it against.

A lien does cover the legal costs of filing the lien. Some states require a lawyer to file the lien while others do not. The costs vary but should be just a few hundred dollars. Unfornately, it's not collectible until the person decides to pay or to sell their home. They aren't time or patience friendly options but they are the best.

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PetunkaM (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
We couldn't get the former management company to turn over any clear records (they gave a disk that apparently doesn't open w/quick books). (Paula)

Paula,

let me just address this issue for now which really troubles me.
Your Association may be required by law to keep all association financial records for at least seven years. Plus all contracts, etc. You also must perform some kind of financial audit.
Please write a letter to the management company stating you require these records or, better yet, have your attorney do that. Believe me, it is very, very important.

PetunkaM (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:

Paul, to continue:

'My suggestion was that we contact the homeowners in arrears and arrange a meeting with the Board, offer to cut a percentage of arrears provided they start paying each and every month. Our Board Presidente thinks we can be sued for harrassment by the homeowner(s) in question.’ (Paula)

Perhaps I do not understand your intent? Otherwise, you cannot make or should not make deals with some owners when it comes to paying the Association due. You could possibly waive fines or late fees providing the BOD votes on it? . Have you considered liens? But first, make sure you have a complete set of financial records.

β€˜Also, for some reason, our board president (great guy by the way) thinks that the Board is not supposed to know the homeowners that are in arrears, he believes that info is for management only. Can anyone provide their thoughts on this?’ (Paula)

Oh boy, this is not correct nor is it a wise move. Not at all. The management company works for the Board and the Board is ultimately responsible. Not the management company not your attorney. The Board must know everything there is to know about financials, delinquent owners, insurance, contracts, document violations and other important issues. Do not let the management company to run circles around you. And, it is not a good idea to let them to sign any checks. Have your Treasurer to sign checks.

BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
Paula,

You shouldn't consider offering "deals" to reduce the amount of association dues owed. It might be reasonable to offer a payment plan with regular payments over a prescribed period of time, but the full amount owed should eventually be paid. It might also be reasonable to offer an incentive by forgiving a portion (or all) of the late fees provided that the delinquent homeowner agrees to a payment plan by a certain date and provided that the homeowner sticks to the agreed upon plan. Otherwise, the full amount of the balance owed (including applicable late fees) becomes due and payable immediately.
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Paula:

I will concur with those on here and tell you under no circumstances offer deals on back owed dues. Simple reason being those that have paid will come back and want their money back as well. Without seeing your documents I am going on the assumption your association is like most and has the power and authority to collect dues.

I might suggest the following two tactics:

1. offer payment plans to those to get them caught up
2. Offer a one-time break on late fees or interest to those who pay up or set up payment plans

The stipulation with the above two is they make a deal with the board and stick with and if they miss a payment then all heck breaks loose.

Those that don't want to cooperate, lien their home. Your board president is wrong, the board has the right to view these records. You may get sued for harassment, you can sue for anything in this world...however, the homeowner has not case as long as you are professional in your letters.
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
Paula,

I might add your president's fears about being sued for harassment are unfounded.

First, as an attorney once told me, you can't prevent anyone from suing you. You can be sued by anyone for anything at anytime. What you CAN do, the attorney told me, is make it difficult or nearly impossible for the person suing you to win.

It is not harassment to try to collect a legitimate debt as long as your attempts to collect the debt are reasonable. Sending a letter, even one of more follow-up letters is not unreasonable. Telephone calls are not unreasonable, as long as they are made during reasonable hours and not several times a day. Having an attorney send a letter is not unreasonable.

What would be considered unreasonable and constitute possible harassment might be:

Calling at unreasonable times, say after 9pm.
Calling several times a day.
Threatening action you do not intend to take.
Using abusive or threatening language (ie., threatening physical harm).
Representing that you are an attorney when you're not, or representing you are a collector or collection agency when you are not.

You can threaten to turn the account over to an attorney as long as it is your right to do so and you intend to do it. You can threaten to file a lien as long as you are entitled to do so and you intend to do it.

Also, hopefully you have D&O insurance. That would defend the board and the association if someone did file a lawsuit as long as you exercised due diligence and didn't willfully violate any laws in attempting to collect the debt.

Some people my try to avoid paying association dues simply because it's "a group of homeowners" and they mistakenly believe the association has no way of actually collecting them. Some people have to learn the hard way that the association has the force of law to collect amounts owed to the association, the same as with any other legitimate debt.
PaulaM4 (New York)
Posts: 14
Posted:
Thank you everyone, that was incredibly helpful.

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