LoriH6 (Indiana)
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Thanks for reading. I own what has been marketed since its inception in 1985 as a condo, what I am now told is a townhouse. As the 88 units on the Northwest side of Indianapolis are now getting older, problems are occuring. These problems are structural as well as aethsetic and social. All the roofs and siding need to be replaced. The grounds are in sad shape. Recently, there has been vandalism and destruction in the community which has been proven to be owner on owner induced. Yet our "board" refuses to take appropriate action, and the management company only wants to spend pennies putting bandaids on problems rather than fixing them appropriately for the long haul.
Our developer filed a declaration for this planned community before Indiana had per se condo or homeowners association statutes. Apparently, this inital declaration called the units townhomes.It was notfiled under the old horizontal property act, which became the new condo statute, but it provided for a board of directors that mostly mirrors the current HOA law, but without its bite to fine or assess for infringements on the use and enjoyment of other owners. Since these units were first sold, they have been called, marketed as, and assumed to be condos. We bought condos, not townhomes, and if you look at the real estate listings today, they are still advertised and sold as condos. The problems come in because while the board is called an HOA and they have power to repair, replace, assess, contract, maintain the common areas (pool, lake, etc.), the board attorney (Stephen Buschmann) says that it is not an HOA under the statute and these are not condominiums under the condo statute. The statutes for HOAs and condominiums were enacted later, and while they require the same process to record a declaration, etc., the declaration could not have been filed in 1983 under statutes that were only enacted in 2008 or thereafter. Those statutes offer more powers and protection to owners, but the attorney says that even though all these things are true, our development is not governed by either the HOA or the condo statutes. In effect, we fall outside statutory authority entirely. We are only bound/protected by the initial declarations, bylaws, covenants, etc., which may have been adequate in 1983, but are woefully inadequate to deal with current conditions. There is a provision by which we could vote to be governed by these statutes, but try getting a quorum to vote for anything amidst all this complancency and anger that the board is doing nothing to protect us. They have become adversaries that make excuses for doing nothing rather than advocates for our wellbeing.
This just doesn't sound right to me. I've looked at the legislative history and at caselaw without finding an answer. Surely developments created by declarations that were recorded prior to the statutes' inception were grandfathered into the provisions of the current statutes.Surely such developments and their owners cannot be left out in the cold, denied the statutory powers and protections, and their right to the quiet use and enjoyment of their property discriminated against simply because they are old, not called by the right name initally, and were not filed under the current statutes. That simply doesn't make sense. None of the statutory provisions of the HOA or condo laws apply to us? We are outside statutory protection entirely? I see lots and lots of problems with this, mostly stemming from the fact that the board has an attorney telling them that they do not have the authority which other boards in other communities do have, simply because these statutes did not exist when the development was created. This sounds like an attorney who isn't in touch with evolving law. If nothing else, by analogy, aren't these owners entitled to the same powers and protections as other similar communities that were developed under current law? Why would the bundle of property rights be different for some property owners just because someone called them townhomes in 1983? That's an archaic mentality!
Would someone please help me to understand this, show me how to oppose it, or how to empower a complacent board that refuses to maintain/take action to preserve a dying community peopled with mostly older, single people who don' understand how much they are being shafted by an attorney and a board who refuse to change with the times and address real problems?
Thanks so much for any help that you can offer.
Lori
Our developer filed a declaration for this planned community before Indiana had per se condo or homeowners association statutes. Apparently, this inital declaration called the units townhomes.It was notfiled under the old horizontal property act, which became the new condo statute, but it provided for a board of directors that mostly mirrors the current HOA law, but without its bite to fine or assess for infringements on the use and enjoyment of other owners. Since these units were first sold, they have been called, marketed as, and assumed to be condos. We bought condos, not townhomes, and if you look at the real estate listings today, they are still advertised and sold as condos. The problems come in because while the board is called an HOA and they have power to repair, replace, assess, contract, maintain the common areas (pool, lake, etc.), the board attorney (Stephen Buschmann) says that it is not an HOA under the statute and these are not condominiums under the condo statute. The statutes for HOAs and condominiums were enacted later, and while they require the same process to record a declaration, etc., the declaration could not have been filed in 1983 under statutes that were only enacted in 2008 or thereafter. Those statutes offer more powers and protection to owners, but the attorney says that even though all these things are true, our development is not governed by either the HOA or the condo statutes. In effect, we fall outside statutory authority entirely. We are only bound/protected by the initial declarations, bylaws, covenants, etc., which may have been adequate in 1983, but are woefully inadequate to deal with current conditions. There is a provision by which we could vote to be governed by these statutes, but try getting a quorum to vote for anything amidst all this complancency and anger that the board is doing nothing to protect us. They have become adversaries that make excuses for doing nothing rather than advocates for our wellbeing.
This just doesn't sound right to me. I've looked at the legislative history and at caselaw without finding an answer. Surely developments created by declarations that were recorded prior to the statutes' inception were grandfathered into the provisions of the current statutes.Surely such developments and their owners cannot be left out in the cold, denied the statutory powers and protections, and their right to the quiet use and enjoyment of their property discriminated against simply because they are old, not called by the right name initally, and were not filed under the current statutes. That simply doesn't make sense. None of the statutory provisions of the HOA or condo laws apply to us? We are outside statutory protection entirely? I see lots and lots of problems with this, mostly stemming from the fact that the board has an attorney telling them that they do not have the authority which other boards in other communities do have, simply because these statutes did not exist when the development was created. This sounds like an attorney who isn't in touch with evolving law. If nothing else, by analogy, aren't these owners entitled to the same powers and protections as other similar communities that were developed under current law? Why would the bundle of property rights be different for some property owners just because someone called them townhomes in 1983? That's an archaic mentality!
Would someone please help me to understand this, show me how to oppose it, or how to empower a complacent board that refuses to maintain/take action to preserve a dying community peopled with mostly older, single people who don' understand how much they are being shafted by an attorney and a board who refuse to change with the times and address real problems?
Thanks so much for any help that you can offer.
Lori