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SheriB (Georgia)
Posts: 2
Posted:
We are having some issues with our ACC Committee "adding"
their own "interpretation of guidelines" for the neighborhood that are not in the CCR's. Such as outside lighting. It is stated in our CCR's that 'All exterior lighting should be a low-level, non-glare type and located to cause minimum visual impact to adjacent properties and streets. The ACC Committe told a homeowner they have to remove their lights because they give off a soft purple hue when color is not stated in the CCR's because some of the committee members don't like the color. They have gone so far as to threaten them with a lean againist their property if they do not comply. Have anyone of you had problems of this nature before? I live in Georgia.

Sheri
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
the board needs to slap the ACC's hands. If not the board, then the owner. If the code says nothing about color, then the ACC cannot enforce color.

Let the ACC pressure the board to place a lein. In many states, leins cannot be placed for fines anymore, only for unpaid assessments. they will lose the case in court.

RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Sheri,
If your ACC is in charge of Covenant Enforcement the members obviously do not have sufficient knowledge to do the job properly. Have you considered hiring a knowledgeable managing agent for Covenant enforcement?
RonaldW (South Carolina)
Posts: 901
Posted:
Posted By SheriB on 01/04/2007 2:11 PM

We are having some issues with our ACC Committee "adding" their own "interpretation of guidelines" for the neighborhood that are not in the CCR's. ............


Are you a member of the Board of Directors or a homeowner complaining about enforcement? In our association, the members of the ACC are appointed by the BOD, are accountable to the BOD, and can be removed and replaced by the BOD.

If you feel the ACC is misinterpreting the CC&Rs or overstepping its authority, appeal their decision or take your case to the BOD.

Ron
SC
RonaldW (South Carolina)
Posts: 901
Posted:
Posted By BrianB on 01/04/2007 2:32 PM

the board needs to slap the ACC's hands. If not the board, then the owner. If the code says nothing about color, then the ACC cannot enforce color.


In most cases, that's not correct. The ACC will have the authority to approve or dissaprove additions, modifications, etc. to insure "harmony" with the surrounding homes.

In the OP's case, the person who installed the lights would have been better served by requesting permission to install the lights before actually doing so. He or she would have been told in advance what was acceptable and what was not.


Ron
SC
SheriB (Georgia)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Ron,

I agree that asking permission would have been the prudent thing to do. I am just concerned with the appearance of unrestrained power the ACC seems to feels they have. What position or recourse does the BOD have?

Sheri
RonaldW (South Carolina)
Posts: 901
Posted:
Posted By SheriB on 01/04/2007 4:43 PM

Ron,

I agree that asking permission would have been the prudent thing to do. I am just concerned with the appearance of unrestrained power the ACC seems to feels they have. What position or recourse does the BOD have?

Sheri


In our association, the members of the ACC are appointed by the BOD, are accountable to the BOD, and can be removed and replaced by the BOD. Check your CC&Rs. Somebody has to be in charge.

At the very least, the BOD can call the ACC to a meeting and outline expectations, responsibilities, and authority.


Ron
SC
JulieS (Georgia)
Posts: 412
Posted:
Our covenants state that all exterior lighting is to be approved by the ACC. Did the homeowner submit an ACC request and was it approved as submitted? If the ACC approved the lighting without knowing the type of light it would provide, then shame on the ACC for not asking for additional information. And if it was approved as submitted, then the ACC has no recourse. We have a document which was created to provide more specific details of ACC items and it is called "Design Standards". In this document, there are more details on lighting such as the type of lights and wattage.

On a side note, I believe the laws in Georgia allow for a lien to be placed on an unpaid fine.
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
ron, you may be correct IF the covenants or by laws state that "harmony" is required, or a certain community standard must be adhered to. If the only rule about lighting in the code, however, is nothing more than "six inches above ground, no more than 50 watts, and must be on a timer", then I can choose whatever color I want, and the board (or ACC) can do nothing about it, as long as it is 5 inches tall, 48 watts, and on a timer.

The ACC can only enforce the codes that are written. If they are going to cite me for "disharmony" with my surrounding homes, there better be a code that says I have to be harmonious. a homeowner cannot be forced to abide by unwritten rules.
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Sheri:

Your ACC committee should not have runaway power, as it was stated before most are appointed by the board and accountable to the board and ultimately to the homeowners.

Obviously no request was filed and approved, that is the first issue. The other issue is interpretation. You documents say this "'All exterior lighting should be a low-level, non-glare type and located to cause minimum visual impact to adjacent properties and streets" One could argue that the phrase "to cause minimum visual impact to adjacent properties and streets" could apply. Maybe the purple color is causing more than a minimum impact?

Point remains the homeowners should have sought approval before hand and could have avoided this mess.
RonaldW (South Carolina)
Posts: 901
Posted:
Posted By BrianB on 01/04/2007 6:55 PM

The ACC can only enforce the codes that are written. If they are going to cite me for "disharmony" with my surrounding homes, there better be a code that says I have to be harmonious. a homeowner cannot be forced to abide by unwritten rules.


Our CC&Rs are in a PDF format so I can't cut and paste, but they do allow the ACC make decisions based on "harmony of exterior design, color and location in relation to ................ ". Yours may be different.

In general, the ACC is charged with approving or denying any exterior modifications such as additions or modifications to structures, fences, driveways, etc. including color changes, and landscaping. Are these "unwritten rules"? In some ways they are. That's why it's a committee, not an individual, and that's why the committee is subject to the BOD. Our CC&Rs do not prohibit a cinderblock home, but you can be assured the plans would not be approved by the ACC. ACC permission is required to remove a living tree more than a certain diameter. There's no written rule as to which trees may be removed, the ACC decides on a case by case basis.

In the case we are talking about, the owner should have submitted plans before installing the lights. If the lights were installed according to the plans there would have been no problem and no post to the forum. Everyone would have been happy. If the plans were denied, the homeowner could have attempted to negotiate with the ACC for a compromise or appealed the decision to the BOD.


Ron
SC
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
i agree with you ron, if the rules give the right of the ACC to enforce harmony, then they can do so. And, there can be unwritten "things" that help define harmony, certainly. not everything possible can be written ahead of the problem, i know.

and in the OP's case, if there is a requirement to submit to ACC for approval, and they didn't, then the ACC can enforce the lack of submission, and then deal with purple lights, etc..

In my HOA, we would be stuck with it, no recourse... even had they not submitted to the ACC.

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