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LawrenceC1 (Georgia)
Posts: 480
Posted:
Our Association is nearly 20 years old, and we have records in some form or another from that entire period. I have proposed a document retention policy along the lines of the one suggested by the Community Associations Institute, where most records are destroyed after 7 years.

The other members of the board have voted against this, saying only that they were uncomfortable destroying any documents.

I have found numerous articles on the Internet from attorneys and non-profit associations that support something like the CAI policy, but it has not been enough to convince the naysayers.

Can anyone provide good reasons to enact a document destruction policy for an HOA? Especially, has anyone found that their document destruction policy has provided a tangible benefit?
PetunkaM (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
Lawrence,

Good question. Florida laws require also seven years for insurance policies, financial and accounting records and perhaps some others. We are almost 30 years old and kept most of them in boxes. Some became handy a couple of years ago when another state law became effective and said: โ€˜IF the developer this than you must do this. โ€˜ Who in the world knew what the developer did 30 years ago? So we had to dive into the boxes because we just did not want to follow that provision. Also, there were some old minutes and voting records we had to dig up because after many years because someone came forward and claimed this and that amendment is not 'legal' because there was never a vote taken. And, there were those legal opinions which board argued had to followed although they were erroneous or the board did not read them correctly. These are just a couple of examples I can think of right now.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I would suggest possibly looking into "Scanning" the documents older than 7 - 10 years. This way you will have an electronic copy of them. This may be hired out to somebody or done internally. Scanners are pretty much on many printers/fax machines out there. It's probably a good idea to just incorporate scanning documentation on a yearly basis once caught up. This will save physical space and allow easier research.

It's important to keep ALL the records if possible. I had to look up documentation from a contractor that I fired to verify when his contract ended. We owed him an extra month because of the loosey-goosey way his contract was handled. There were also other legal matters that sometime take years to finally hit the courtroom. You want to make sure those documents are there.

Former HOA President
LawrenceC1 (Georgia)
Posts: 480
Posted:
Melissa,

You sound like the other members of our board who also want to keep everything.

Every major corporation has a document destruction policy because they understand how much old documents expose them to liability. (Internal emails from Bill Gates about crushing Netscape cost Microsoft dearly at their antitrust trial, and Microsoft has since increased the frequency of document destruction.) Often in litigation, the most troubling documents can be those that were created long ago and no longer have context to explain them, or that reflect activities before the company instituted better controls.

Any time a document is retained, there is a risk that the information in it could be used against the business in litigation. All this applies to an HOA as much as a large corporation. It is important not to keep all the records, and only to preserve what is necessary and important.

Our attorney told us when asked about document retention, "The best advice I can give is to tell you that you should not have an ad hoc policy and you should not keep everything."

A retention policy also helps to hold down litigation costs. In litigation, if one party makes a discovery request for certain documents, the other party has a duty to conduct a diligent search for documents in its custody that may be responsive to the request. The more documents there are, the more time consuming and costly the search and production.

There are also state and federal laws that require certain documents to be destroyed after a specified period of time, including records of collection activities for delinquent accounts.

And as I pointed out in the original post, the CAI publishes a schedule of recommended document destruction.

My question is not whether to keep everything. That idea is universally rejected by attorneys, non-profit advocates, and the CAI who all recommend periodic document destruction. My question is whether anyone on HOATalk have some anecdotes that support a formal document retention policy.

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
What is wrong with scanning the records and throwing away the originals after a certain time limit? My experience it has been important to know the history of the HOA. It has helped me NOT repeat history of mistakes. Found out about 15 years before I moved into the HOA and became President, our HOA development had been sued successfully. It was a lawncare contractor who the president hired and then cancelled. The HOA had to honor the original contract and ended up paying 2 lawncare companies even though 1 was doing the work. Cost us 40K...I almost made that same mistake when I fired our lawncare company my first year in. Had to go back 5 years for the original contract...

We had a property that had been unoccupied for 10 years. No one knew if it had a lien on it. It had to be researched. If your HOA has ever sued anyone, that's NOT a guarantee that person paid the judgement. Those judgements expire around 7 years before they have to be renewed. Then I believe it's up to 15 years. Who's to say who is on the board in 7 years to remember the results of the lawsuit to pursue it?

Don't see why the docs can't be scanned and kept on electronic copy somewhere? It will save space and save face...Speaking from experience and keepers of the records...

Former HOA President
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
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Posted By LawrenceC1 on 08/27/2011 6:35 PM

My question is not whether to keep everything. That idea is universally rejected by attorneys, non-profit advocates, and the CAI who all recommend periodic document destruction. My question is whether anyone on HOATalk have some anecdotes that support a formal document retention policy.

Lawrence,

This might be one of them.

Per VA Nonstock Corporation Act, ยง 13.1-932 the corporation shall keep as permanent records minutes of all meetings of its members and board of directors. It does go on to say that minutes from meetings of the members (annual/special meeting) only has to be kept for three years. However, the only time frame for minutes of Board meetings that is mentioned is "permanent".

Tim
LawrenceC1 (Georgia)
Posts: 480
Posted:
Tim,

Georgia has a similar law in O.C.G.A. ยง 14-3-1601. "A corporation shall keep as permanent records minutes of all meetings of its members and board of directors..."

HOAs in Georgia must also keep permanent records of the Articles of Incorporation, Bylaws, CC&Rs, and any rules enacted by the board that continue in effect.

So I understand your point.

But there are the things that must be destroyed after a period of time such credit reports and other material gathered during collection activity as required by law for the privacy of homeowners.

And how about e-mails between Board members? Decisions by the Architectural Review Committee? Expired insurance policies and contracts? Invoices, receipts, and check stubs? Payment records for homeowners who have sold their property? All this ought to be destroyed on a regular basis after 7 years at most.

Most of the stuff that accumulates over the years is out-of-date and useless. It ought to be discarded, but there should be a formal policy in place to avoid destroying things that need to be kept, and to protect the Board in case anyone questions what has been thrown out. Like our lawyer said, "You should not keep everything."
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Lawrence,

I certainly agree that an Association doesn't need to keep every scrap of paper. Common sense and standard acceptable practices should be used.

Personally, I do think that all minutes with attachments and architectural approvals/denials should be kept forever (either in paper or electronic form (we use pdf files).

Some background on why I think some things need to be kept forever is:

Prior to being elected to the Board, the previous board thought it was a good idea to only keep three years worth of everything and discarded everything prior to a certain date. Unfortunately, no one bothered to really look at what was in those files to determine what should be kept or not - they just used that arbitrary date. After spending two years trying to recreate as many of the files we could, based on references in the minutes the Association lost building plans, audits, resolutions, documentation of approved special assessments, elections and amendments to governing documents.

On a side note - this year the Board discovered that the governing documents being published to the membership for over 10 years were not the same version filed with the County and State. Due to the missing records, we have zero way of proving any of the differences were approved by the membership or not. I'm announcing this discovery at the annual meeting and hope the membership doesn't go after the messenger. Had the minutes of the meetings been kept - our Board would at least have some answers to provide the membership rather then just a hypothesis as to why it might have happened.

Tim
LawrenceC1 (Georgia)
Posts: 480
Posted:
Tim,

I can certainly see how "building plans, audits, resolutions, etc." ought to be kept as permanent records. It's unfortunate that your previous board misunderstood their obligations. A good document retention policy would specify what needs to be kept (sometimes for a certain number of years -- sometimes forever) so anything else can be safely destroyed.

I specifically want to get rid of hard copy of e-mail exchanges discussing fines and penalties against homeowners, reasons for policies, and other things that could be embarrassing or even damaging if exposed. The board is now more circumspect about using e-mail, but in times past it was not so.

We also need to get rid of clutter, such as proposals from pool companies and painters that were never accepted and are now years old, invitations to parties long since held, receipts and invoices from the last century, and other things that serve no purpose and only make finding significant information harder.

There are also things in our records that should be destroyed by law -- such as credit reports and skip traces of delinquent members from over 7 years ago.

So I see your point about being careful and not destroying everything older than a certain date. That is good advice. But there should be a happy medium between keeping everything and keeping nothing.

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Sounds like you just want to destroy evidence more than records...Destroying some of the information you mentioned out of fear of exposure is NOT the reason to destroy records. They are the reason to KEEP them. A judge found out the HOA destroyed records, especially ones regarding the case at hand, there will be blood....Besides the suing party may well have already kept copies on their end. How is the HOA going to defend themselves in response?

I was a quality manager for several years and know much about "document destroying" policies etc...What documents you want to toss will get you in a heap of trouble. Documents with personal information like social security numbers or account information should be destoyed. It should also be destroyed by the MC's policies if you have one. Find out what their policy is on their record destruction. It may be a good model for the HOA's as well.

Several years after I quit being president and sold my house in our HOA, I was called into the courtroom. While I was president I had foreclosed on a home. The issue with the homeowner went back for years. I was lucky enough before I left to have put all that information in a folder in case something happened. Well, it did happen. Those records were introduced to the court as records of the HOA. I also had to testify to a conversation I may or may not have had with the parties. If I didn't have those records or the court, it wouldn't have been pretty. It wasn't a lawsuit against the HOA but between the renter and the owner of the foreclosed property. The owner had done some shady things and was trying to put some of it on the HOA... Communications with the HOA was an important aspect of the case even though the communication wasn't always "professional" on some people's part.

Be careful because what your asking to destroy...It will come back to you...and not in a good way...Tim found this out too I am sure...

Former HOA President
LawrenceC1 (Georgia)
Posts: 480
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 08/28/2011 11:25 AM
If I didn't have those records [f]or the court, it wouldn't have been pretty...

Melissa,

This is exactly why you need a document destruction policy.

The answer to the court is then something like, "Your honor, we do not have those records because they were routinely destroyed according to our formal document retention policy."

This is what protects the HOA from both documents that could be a problem, and from the consequences of documents that may be missing. The court or an opposing attorney cannot subpoena or request documents that do not exist.

Please see Document Retention Policies
And When Should a Business Destroy Old Records?
Also Sample Document Retention/Destruction Policy

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