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MaryF7 (Florida)
Posts: 6
Posted:
why would the HOA Board treasurer insist on taking out a loan to cover the cost of capital improvements which are projected to cost $450,000 and to assess the HOA Members for same? we have over $651,0000 in the treasury as of june 30,2011.

the Treasurer is obsessed with accumulating 1 million dollars in the treasury, which is also absurd.

I am on the Budget Committee and i need to make an intelligent argument against this issue. the HOA members are stretched more than enought already financially, as is everyone else in this country.

please advise. thank you. mary
PetunkaM (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
Mary,

Is it because the ‘IMPROVEMENTS” are not included in the budget? Usually they are not.
FredS7 (Arizona)
Posts: 927
Posted:
How sensible this is would depend on how large the HOA is and what maintenance is planned for the future.

Do you want to argue against the capital improvements, as being unnecessary?
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Mary,

Is the $651,000 in Reserve Fund (s)? If they are in Reserves, the only way that those funds may be used for something other than what they are assigned for would require a vote of the membership to release them for other purposes.

What are the Reserves for if that is what the 651,000 is and what capital improvements are being projected

You are in Florida and depending on where you are located, $651.00 can be spent quite quickly if those Reserves were needed to replace some hurricane damaged roofs, beaches or structures. All Floridians know that insurance never covers enough after a catastrophic storm hits. Been there, done that-3 times.
MaryF7 (Florida)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Each homeowner pays and is responsible for their property. Roof, property damage, painting, etc.

the HOA is only responsible for maintenance of the common areas.

there are 418 homes, we are not in a flood zone, we are in northern palm beach county, however, we are at least 10 miles west of the ocean and intracoastal waterway.

each homeowner, if they choose to do so, can purchase (i have one) a flood policy with their homeowner's insurance. my opinion is a as a life long resident of coastal county south florida, that the entire state is a flood zone.

the capital improvements necessary are repair/replacement of aging irrigation system and dredging of retention ponds (4). the community is approximately 25 yrs old and the lakes (retention ponds) have NEVER been dredged.
MaryF7 (Florida)
Posts: 6
Posted:
the only common area buildings in the community are 1) an office and restrooms next to the pool totaling approximately 2400 sq ft.

also, a guard shack which is approximately 10x10.

all structures in the community are solid poured concrete with concrete tile roofs.
PetunkaM (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
need to make an intelligent argument against this issue. the HOA members are stretched more than enought already financially, as is everyone else in this country. [Mary]

Mary, only you can make an intelligent argument. You said ‘improvements’ and it seems the money is being used for maintenance and replacement. Big difference.

my opinion is a as a life long resident of coastal county south florida, that the entire state is a flood zone.[Mary]

Not according to FEMA flood maps and I think they may be more qualified than you to determine that.
MaryF7 (Florida)
Posts: 6
Posted:
you are right, re, FEMA; i was being factitious.

thank you, though, you are right on all counts.

mary
JenniferM10 (Illinois)
Posts: 97
Posted:
Petunka, she said it was her opinion, and that the area wasn't actually in a flood zone. No reason to get stuck in semantics.

She's just asking for some discussion from others in HOA leadership, which is what this forum is for.
MaryF7 (Florida)
Posts: 6
Posted:
how do you differentiate between "capital improvement" and "maintenance and repair"? please advise. thank you
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Quote:
the Treasurer is obsessed with accumulating 1 million dollars in the treasury, which is also absurd.....I am on the Budget Committee and i need to make an intelligent argument against this issue.


To make an intelligent decision, you need to know future expenses. Is the money in the reserve fund enough to cover future expenses? Is $1 million even enough? All that money may already be spoken for for future replace/repair issues. To make an intelligent decision you need a reserve study.

It will estimate the price of everything that needs to be replaced and the date it needs to be done.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Mary,

My HOA is in S. Martin County and I know all about repair, replacement and maintenance of the "Lakes" (never know who decided to call them that)

We had 16 of them, all interconnected. You said that the irrigation system and dredging of these ponds is what the money will be used for. If I remember correctly, the number that you said is what the cost will be for this repair seems like it is in a reasonable range. Irrigation system replacement is huge. You need pumps and filters and lots of work to get your system up to the new codes. Have you gotten a breakdown on the individual costs? Are you on the Board?
MaryF7 (Florida)
Posts: 6
Posted:
allegedly, according to prior HOA president, the last "reserve study" was completed in 2002.

i was on the Board in 2004, 05, 06 and have been involved with the Board and budget committee since 2004.

I have been requesting and been very vocal about getting the lakes/retention ponds dredged as a matter of regular maitenance to no avail since 2004. additionally, i have also made an issue about maintenance of the irrigation system.

throughout my involvement with the board and budget committee, we have "repaired and replaced several irrigation pumps, pool pumps, pool heater, resurfaced the roads, and tennis courts" within the community.

However, unfortunately, the boards throughout the years i have lived here (12), do not share itemized breakdowns of bids with all board members, or budget committee members, or community at large.

the community was built by a locally prominent developer who's premise was all about low maintenance community living. This community was built between 1990 and 1996.

i understand and realize that communities and items age and need replacement. but, we do we require 1 million dollars in reserve when there is no golf course, or any other amenities other than listed above. seems a bit excessive.

you are right, a reserve study is in order, however, i do not believe the powers that be are willing to get one. please advise. thank you.
PetunkaM (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
Petunka, she said it was her opinion, and that the area wasn't actually in a flood zone. No reason to get stuck in semantics. [Jennifer]

Jennifer, trust me I do not get stuck in semantics, except that many association ‘ are in the opinion’ that most Florida is in flood zone, particularly everything east of US 1. Consequently, many associations are paying thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars for flood insurance they really do not need. Flood and wind insurance in coastal Florida are nothing to sneeze about. And, sadly many associations do not even check if they are really in the flood zone.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Petunka,

I have a good one to share. Our home was never listed to be in a flood zone. Then FEMA came in after Francis, Jennie and Wilma, declaring our area, (2 miles west of U.S. 1) a flood zone. Any homes with mortgages were now required to buy flood insurance.One of mt rental associations required us to buy flood insurance. That association pays for repair and painting of the exterior portion of the villa unit so we became required buyers of flood insurance. It almost became like a frenzy to grab flood insurance even tho there had never been any flooding. And it is expensive to purchase it.
PetunkaM (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
One of mt rental associations required us to buy flood insurance. That association pays for repair and painting of the exterior portion of the villa unit so we became required buyers of flood insurance. [Donna]
And is that development in the flood zone also? If so, purchased the flood? The Association or the individual villa owners?
PetunkaM (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
how do you differentiate between "capital improvement" and "maintenance and repair"? please advise. thank you [Mary]

Mary,
I will be happy too but first I would like to know how many reserve funds you maintain and where the money will be going. Typically, you must have reserve funds for:
a. deferred maintenance
b. replacement and
c. recreational areas (pool).

Do you maintaing any more funds? Also, do you have to fully fund your reserves? And, if so, did the membership approve the loan?
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Petunka,
This developement is 2 blocks away from my HOA. They were not, as our home was not in a flood zone until 2007 when Fema rezoned this entire area to a flood zone.
Owners are required to purchase flood insurance with the association as being named the co insured of that property. The association purchased flood insurance for the big clubhouse, meeting facility, tennis courts and pool area.

This association along with many others appealed to FEMA for a rezoning back to the original classification with no success.

Now after the fact I would not question this decision myself because during hurricane Francis, our retention ponds(lakes) flooded over whch meant that all of the street sewers were overloaded and the street water crept closer and closer to the houses. We are not talking 6 inches of water but 2 or more feet deep. Moral of the story is is that Florida is a unique place.
PetunkaM (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
Donna, so you cannot cash a check unless approved by the association. Well,it is probably fair since the association is responsible for the exterior maintenance. But still, each owner’s insurance may vary in $ amount. Never mind. I really do not need to know.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

That is exactly how it works. Up till now, no one has had to do any of this.

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