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ZoilaF (Florida)
Posts: 2
Posted:
I was a Board Vice-President. Until the Board President and Board Secretary/Treasure vote to remove me as Board Officer. Mean while I am still a Board of Director and our Bylaw said only the majority of HOA members will be the only one to remove as a Board Director. Even I sent a copy of our HOA Attorney letter explanning who can remove an Officer and who can remove a Board of Director, to the Board Officer, as well the Management Company.(This community are single families homes)

I had not giving my resignation as Board Member in writing or verbaly.

The management company are saying that was a Motion made by the Board of Director accepting my resignation. Which not true, I had not Quit or resigned, as I said before.

Since the Secretary/Treasure is the point of contact, with the managment company and as well with the HOA Attorney. The HOA attorney does not respond my letters or phones calls, since the HOA attorney does not have authorization from Board Secretary/Treausure to respond to me.

Everything started, when I give some sugestions that the Board President should be talking and directing the Board Meeting, but since he does not speak or write any English, even we had to translate him. The Secretary write everything for him and he does not have any clue of what he is signing, Them when the violations were send, some members complaim that how was possible the Board President was in violation with a tent on his back yard that everyone can view since his property is on one of the pond of the subdivision. Them I told him that he need to correct his violation and he need to set up an example in the community, not because he is in power he can break the Rules on the CC&R.

What can I do? I send letter to DBPR and there is nothing they can do? I don't understand how they made the HOA law if they can not enforce!

Thanks, for any suggestions...

Concern in south florida.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
You have been removed as an officer, but are still on the board as a director. Is that right?

The body that puts officers in place is the body that can remove them. So if the board elects its officers, then there would have been a motion to remove you and a vote taken. Look for it in the minutes.

PS: Your "resignation" could have come from lack of attendance at meetings. What did they base the resignation on?
PetunkaM (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
Sounds like you live in a predominantly Spanish speaking community and the President does not speak English? Perhaps something got lost in a translation? At the next BOD meeting do ask the Board members how they concluded you have resigned?
ZoilaF (Florida)
Posts: 2
Posted:
The Bylaw stay, that the majority of board can remove an officer, so if there are 3 on the board 2 of 3 will be the majority, and that remove an Officer, but not as an Board Director.

As well the the Bylaw, it said - that only the majority of the homeowners association membership can remove a Board of Director.

I had not mist any board meeting or annual meeting. In the last board meeting they remove me as Board Vice-President, and after they made a motion and said that they hear I quit or resigned and I was out as a Board of Director. I do have a recording of this meeting and I know that I never said that I did quit or resign. I did had with me the Bylaw and I read the section were it is indicated how can they remove a Board of Director.

They wanted to purchase a computer to the Board President with the HOA funds and many other thing that wrong to do, and since I did not agree with them, they don't want me.

Yes, the majority of the homeowners are Spanish speaking and more that 50% are in default with the assessment dues, and for that factor many of them don't care what is going on with the HOA, to made things worse.

Thanks, for any good ideas... of what can I do?
OwenE1 (North Carolina)
Posts: 4
Posted:
I wasn't removed from the board, they decided not to invite me to any more meetings. The board was spending association funds on attorney fees to have two boat lifts removed from our dock. The boat lifts were placed in slips that were deeded and owned by the two homeowners. The construction of the boatlifts were approved by a prior board. The president and vice president of the last board had a vendetta against one of the boatlift owners and decided to go after his boat lift. The prior board has depleted our entire reserve fund paying attorney fees which amounts to over $43,000.

Our By-laws state that it takes 51% of the association to remove a member from the board. Also, a board member can be removed if they miss three (3) consecutive regular meetings of the Board of Directors. Unless your By-laws has other provisions, I don't believe you can be removed

If anyone reading this has a suggestion about the last board spending $43,000 without board approval, I would like to hear from you. I would like to know if they could possibly face legal action.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
What do the other homeowners think?

For sure, you would have told them!!

Figure out how to do a recall.

BUT . . . if there was a motion and it passed - at a meeting - to spend this $$, then they did everything right.

Apparently they had the $$ to spend.

BrianN1 (California)
Posts: 20
Posted:
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Posted By OwenE1 on 08/27/2011 9:43 AM
I wasn't removed from the board, they decided not to invite me to any more meetings. The board was spending association funds on attorney fees to have two boat lifts removed from our dock. The boat lifts were placed in slips that were deeded and owned by the two homeowners. The construction of the boatlifts were approved by a prior board. The president and vice president of the last board had a vendetta against one of the boatlift owners and decided to go after his boat lift. The prior board has depleted our entire reserve fund paying attorney fees which amounts to over $43,000.

Our By-laws state that it takes 51% of the association to remove a member from the board. Also, a board member can be removed if they miss three (3) consecutive regular meetings of the Board of Directors. Unless your By-laws has other provisions, I don't believe you can be removed

If anyone reading this has a suggestion about the last board spending $43,000 without board approval, I would like to hear from you. I would like to know if they could possibly face legal action.

Which state are you in, See your CC&R,if you feel the money spending widely or concern about money being spent on. You can always hire an auditor to audit the book. My HOA having same problem. since day I joined to the board, I opt out trouble maker vote. I still invited them to the meeting but their vote won't count. I have 90% of home owner would like to remove them off the board. But because my CC&R is accumulating vote. So process to remove those trouble make will take at least 5 to 8 months.

I think based on you what you told it seem like they just opt out your vote and not invite you to any meeting. Best option I think you should review the CC&R. Then hire an auditor to audit the financial
OwenE1 (North Carolina)
Posts: 4
Posted:
I'm in the state of North Carolina. You refer to CC&R and I'm not familiar with that term but it's probably the same as our covenants and by-laws. These people violated the covenant's and by-laws in almost ever decision they made. First, to spend that kind of money they should have gotten permission from the Association. Second, most of money spent was spent without board approval. Third, these were dedicated funds that were set aside for road maintenance/replacement. Fourth, the boat lifts were placed in boat slips deeded to and owned by the individuals.

The current board, of which I'm a member, is leaning toward dropping the matter and just chalking it up to a lost cause. Myself and several board members are leaning toward an audit of the funds and possible prosecution. The problem we have is, we don't have enough money in our bank accounts to pursue this. This is why I'm looking for to see if a violation of state statueshas occured and turning it over to the Attorney General of our state.

If anyone has any ideas, I would love to hear from you.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Can you find any past minutes where motions were passed to spend this $$?

What about other board members who were looking at treasurer's reports every month and saw funds being spent?

OwenE1 (North Carolina)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Other than a brief meeting in January, the last meeting I attended was October 9th, 2010. July 2010, the board voted to spend $2,500.00 to hire new attorneys. The vote was six to one me being the only no vote. September 2010 another $2,500.00 was approved for the attorneys me being the only no vote again. Financial records show that $4,768.80 was spent in December 2010. This was without board approval because no minutes exist showing that this expenditure was authorized. Financial records show the following expenditures for attorney fees: January 2011, $5,000.00; March 2011. $16,787.82; May 2011, $9,976.43. The next meeting of the board was held in May 2011 and again I was not invited to this meeting. They were voted out of office in June. I might add that the President and Treasurer are husband and wife.

I don't believe that funds were embezzled but I believe that a case for misappropriation could be made.

Thanks for your reply
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Board members usually are not "invited" to board meetings because they are held regularily each month or some other regular interval.

As a board member, why do you think you should have been 'invited'?

So in reality, you missed the meetings.

From what you have posted, the expenditures have been revealed in an open manner. You are the one dissenting vote. Perhaps there is another side of the story.

DonnaD (Tennessee)
Posts: 38
Posted:
I sympathize with you as I am dealing with a similar problem in an HOA in TN. I was elected Board of Director by our association for a 3-year term in 2009 . On April 27, 2011, the acting president who was not appropriately elected according to our D&Cs, called a meeting without an agenda and conspired with the VP and claimed I was no longer a Board member. Our property manager blocked my access to records and the VP claims they are taking direction from the 2--even though the VP admits in writing that they have provided counsel that I am still a BOD member. We are 3 months late fro our open meeting. Today, I received a letter from the property management company that we are having a meeting along with a proxy. There is no explanation for the proxy (but I know otherwise).
I sent all my information to a member here who is an attorney (hope he can help). These 2 people on the Board do whatever they want without regard to the D&C, which specified that a Board member can only be removed by a majority of the association. I plan on attending even though the property management company slandered me once I copied in my attorney friend and said I could not step foot in the building since I was a "threat", which was slander. They do not want me to talk because I have e-mails and proof.

if anyone has any guidance for the meeting scheduled for September 23, 2011, please let me know. I was considering going door to door with a petition to remove both the BOD and the property management company--and discuss the proxies they received, Any thoughts?

Thanks Donna
OwenE1 (North Carolina)
Posts: 4
Posted:
To answer SusanW1's post, our By-Laws require that written notice of each board meeting be given at least 30 days prior to the meeting. Also, such notice shall specify the place, day and hour of the meeting. In the past, the Vice President would call me to announce an "Executive Session" with just a few hours notice. October 9, 2010 was the last meeting I attended. Other board members verified that no other meetings were held until May 7, 2011. Since I didn't receive written notice, how else would I know about a meeting without a phone call or an email? I've owned property in this community for nine years and lived here for eight years. I have served on the board for six of those years and have never missed a meeting until the last board took over.

You stated in your post "the expenditures have been revealed in an open manner". That's not the case at all, even at our annual meeting the Treasurer refused to reveal the financial information.

There is always two sides to ever story but my side didn't waste $43,000 of the Associations funds.

PetunkaM (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
Owen,

$40K in attorney’s fees is a lot of money and unless there is something serious going on I cannot imagine any Assn spending that kind of money in two years. I do not know under what circumstances the Board can hold ‘closed’ sessions and why all BOD meeting must have a 30 day notice in NC? That is very unusual compared to Florida where a notice for a regular BOD meeting requires 48 hours. Does your BOD have any open meetings? Aren’t you required to prepare a financial report? Does the membership care how the money is spent? If you are certain the BOD is in violation perhaps a letter to the members explaining your concerns could wake some people up.
PetunkaM (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
Donna,

I am totally confused. What is D&C? You vote for only three directors?

‘We are 3 months late fro our open meeting. Today, I received a letter from the property management company that we are having a meeting along with a proxy. There is no explanation for the proxy (but I know otherwise).’ [Donna]

Not sure what type of meeting you are describing? Your Annual meeting was in April, right? Why there should be an explanation for a proxy to begin with? Regardless, it seems your chances for a good working relationship with the board and the MC are not very good at this time.

Do whatever you think is in the best interest of the membership.

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