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BethJ2 (California)
Posts: 62
Posted:
We have a board member who thinks that members should be allowed to speak up any time during our monthly board meetings, not just in the open session.

According to Davis-Sterling...

As provided for in the "Open Meeting Act," association members have the right to speak at open meetings of the board. Civil Code ยง1363.05(h). This commonly referred to as the "Open Forum" portion of the meeting. Members have a right to observe the conduct of the boards business but they do not have a right to participate in the meetings. This is the same rule followed by municipalities.

Is this common, or do most boards encourage members to speak only during open session?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Rules are meant to be broken. Honestly, it's really up to the HOA and it's culture. Each HOA is different. I accepted open dialog and questions as I reviewed our agenda. If it was going to be a "hot topic" I may delay that until AFTER all the other official business was completed. Those type subjects could take a long time to cover so it was best to get business out of the way first. We only met once a month.

Communication is key in a HOA. It's best to keep it open as much as possible. I often took my dogs for walks around the neighborhood and talked to the members. Those members may never have attended a meeting, were renters, or just had questions. I didn't tell them "let's wait to the meeting to discuss this matter". I would listen to what they had to tell or ask me and bring it up at the meeting. Regardless if they attended or not. Their opinion and feed back was just as important as those who attended or volunteered.

I wouldn't get caught up in the whole proper procedure of a meeting unless the current format is not work. Our format was spelled out to us in our By-laws on the orders of the meetings and what was to be discussed. As long as those got covered, people could talk all they wanted...

Former HOA President
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
The presiding officer "recognizes" persons, so they can speak. So your president should get meeting discussions under control and be very careful who is providing input on a certain subject. That person in the audience is not a board member and to allow constant input from this person is very unusual. (UNLESS he/she has certain expertise, and is a valuable contributor to the discussion at hand.)

Usually members attend board meetings and speak to the board during a specific time period about a specific subject matter. Then, they generally leave.

Is this person staying the entire meeting and piping in all along?
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By BethJ2 on 08/17/2011 9:40 PM
We have a board member who thinks that members should be allowed to speak up any time during our monthly board meetings, not just in the open session.

Who's allowing this? Is it the president or is it some other board member?

Normally, there is a specified time period for association members observing thwe board meeting to address the board.

The president is the one who recognizes a person to speak. The president should not allow any other board member to recognize anyone to speak, especially a member observing the meeting. Allowing continual interruptions during the meeting slows down business and makes the meeting take longer that necessary.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Beth, the Board can decide by vote whether or not to permit members to speak during the meeting.

If a majority agrees that members may not pipe up during the business portion of the meeting, one hopes that the director who insists otherwise will stop hounding the board about it

In our HOA, we have Open forum both at the beginning and at the end of each monthly Regular Meeting of the Board (aka Open Meeting). I'm Board president. We also use this procedure for our occasional Special Meetings of the Board.
DavidA7 (California)
Posts: 179
Posted:
MelissaP1,

I can't more strongly disagree with a couple of your statements.

Rules are not meant to be broken as breaking the rules or Law can open a Director to personal liability. Its not up to the HOA and its culture as the HOA is completely bound by the bylaws, CC&R's, and State laws. Our former Board felt they could run roughshod over our bylaws and State laws by not conducting meetings, conducting private meetings, making all decisions by e-mail with no other form of documentation etc... It resulted in two lawsuits against the Association with one being successfully won in Small Claims. The second was dismissed by the claimant upon successful negotiations with the Board on a resolution to the issue.

It can be part and partial that YOU decide when and where a member can participate. It should be well defined and upheld at all times so as to not create conflict.

Regarding your communication while its applaudable, at least in California if you, as a Board Member, are discussing HOA confidential business outside of an open board meeting you are opening yourself up to peronsal liability. If membership has an subject or an opinion they should participate in the open board meeting so that it becomes documented and can be acted upon by all Board Members not just yourself.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Beth,

The act is specifying when the member has a right to speak. However, a board may allow the member to participate in as much of the meeting as the board desires.

The Board must allow the member to be heard at the appropriate time (open forum, during an issue that they are there for, etc.) but, again, if the board chooses, they may ask the member to participate as often as they like.

In my Association, As the President, I address any specific issue the member is there for at the beginning of the meeting. If the member desires to stay through the whole meeting, I invite them to offer comments when they see a need to. If it gets out of hand (and it never has yet) I would withdraw that invitation and limit it to the new business/open forum section on the agenda.

Tim
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
I totally agree with you, David. Here, too, previous boards had been very secretive, discussed matters in Executive Session that should have discussed in Open Meetings, etc. They'd also say things at board meetings, such as, "you know your neighbors disagree with your point of view," or whatever. These "neighbors" never seemed to attend. This certainly gave the impression that matters that should have been discussed at meetings, were floating around the community prior to meetings, often instigated by those directors.

There was a group of us dissenters, who finally got elected and we've changed all of that by scrupulously following the Open Meeting Act and being much more open in every way.

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