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MichaelA4 (Ohio)
Posts: 11
Posted:
Question? If a roof leaks and does damage to the interior of a unit is the damage the responsibilty of the Home Owners Association or the unit owner.Been told by management they are not resposible. My Insurance says they are.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Michael,

Typically when this type of damage happens, the owner informs the Association about the leak and the damage. The owner then contacts their insurance company about the damage. The insurance company makes repairs to the unit. The Association repairs the leak. Then the Insurance company and the Association (or Association's insurance company) settles anything between them.

The homeowner doesn't need to be involved about who's paying for what.

Tim
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
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If the roof is the responsibiity of the association and it can be proved that the damage to your unit was caused by a roof leak then it should be the responsibility of the association. that is my humble opinion.
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
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Posted By MichaelA4 on 08/16/2011 1:36 PM
Question? If a roof leaks and does damage to the interior of a unit is the damage the responsibilty of the Home Owners Association or the unit owner.Been told by management they are not resposible. My Insurance says they are.

I believe the association should be responsible.

More correctly, normally the association should carry a "master" policy that covers damage to the common elements and property damage caused to individual homeowners as the result of a failure of a common element. In other words, if the roof is a common element, the the association's master policy should also cover the damage to your unit.

Do you have a mortgage? Most mortgage lenders want to be named as a loss payee on the individual homeowner's policy, AND on the association's master policy for this reason. Usually, they will ask for a statement from the association to verify this is the case.
PetunkaM (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
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'If a roof leaks and does damage to the interior of a unit is the damage the responsibilty of the Home Owners Association or the unit owner.Been told by management they are not resposible. My Insurance says they are.'

It depends. When was the leak reported?
MichaelA4 (Ohio)
Posts: 11
Posted:
Brad,

The association has a $25,000 deductable.The associations insurance told me it was the associations cost. My insurance company says I have $500.00 deductable the damage was $507.19. Means I would get a check for $7.19. Now the associations Board Of Directors are saying if your not happy with our decesion then take us to court. Heck of a statement to make when I have been a owner here for over 30 years.

Michael
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
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Michael...not even sure why your insurance should be involved...take the association to small claims court if they refuse to pay. Seems pretty cut and dried if you can show the judge the roof is a common area and prove that the leak damaged your property. Unless I am missing something
HoaC (Florida)
Posts: 95
Posted:
Are we discussing a Condo unit or an individual home?
MichaelA4 (Ohio)
Posts: 11
Posted:
Your right Brad thanks for everyones input on this.

Michael
MichaelA4 (Ohio)
Posts: 11
Posted:
This is a condo
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MichaelA4 on 08/16/2011 2:36 PM
Brad,

The association has a $25,000 deductable.The associations insurance told me it was the associations cost. My insurance company says I have $500.00 deductable the damage was $507.19. Means I would get a check for $7.19. Now the associations Board Of Directors are saying if your not happy with our decesion then take us to court. Heck of a statement to make when I have been a owner here for over 30 years.

Michael

In my opinion, the insurance deductable on your policy should apply only if your policy is picking up the tab, which it is not. Example: You have a small fire in your kitchen which causes only minor smike damage to only your unit. Your insurance company pays and the deductable applies.

In this case, the damage is caused by the failure of a common alement. Even if your policy would pay for the damage to your unit, the association should be responsible for your deductable.

The association is trying to behave like your insurance company and apply the deductable from your policy. Nice try. I don't buy it. IMO, the association is responsible for the entire $507.19. They can pay you that, or they can pay you that plus the court costs to collect that amount. With each legal step you are required to take, the bar goes higher. They need to think about that.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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I need more detail on the setup and what it says in the CC&R's on what the responsibility of the HOA is. You can have condo's in different forms with separate roofs. It's best to read your governing documents on what common elements they cover and what the homeowner is responsible for. Until then I don't see who really needs to pay and if it needs paid.

Former HOA President
MichaelA4 (Ohio)
Posts: 11
Posted:
Melissa,

The declarations say the association is responsible for common and limited common areas. The association has 2 lawsuits pending right now for water damages. It's not my fault the roof leaked from neglect from the association. The homeowners are not permitted to do any repairs to the exterior of the buildings.I pay my association dues every month to cover exterior repairs. The roofs are a common element. I hate the thought of going to court over this as it will cost the association alot more than the damages are.

Michael
MichaelA4 (Ohio)
Posts: 11
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The leak was reported the day it started leaking. Maintenance came the next day to work on the leak said it was fixed. Next rain it leaked again.Came back to do more work just waiting for next rain to see if fixed.
PetunkaM (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
Michael,

We have the same covenants and the same problem. In fact our roof is leaking now. We are an association of leaking roofs. They are flat and the A/C units sit on the top of the roof. Sometimes those leaks are caused by the A/C units so everyone blames everyone.

Nevertheless, our attorney evidently claims: ‘when a leak is reported and promptly repaired by the association the owner is responsible for any damages to the unit inside. When the association fails to repair the roof the owner can claim ‘negligence’ and the association is responsible for the interior damage.’
It is a pain, I agree, and the only way to solve this problem is to either clarify the docs or, to have the roofs inspected periodically. Many associations do not have a preventive maintenance plan and these are the results.
HoaC (Florida)
Posts: 95
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First off, this is a Condo Owners' Association (COA). COAs are responsible for 99.9% of all things in the complex. That is the purpose of living in a condo , primarily not to have any home maintaince. Sort of like renting an apartment, except you have vested interest in the unit you reside in. The COA is responsible for the roof leak. If the roof leak was caused by neglect of the COA maintaining the roof and the interior of your unit is damaged by a direct result, the COA is responsible. Now, proving the negligence falls upon you to prove, other wise, unless the ByLaws and covenants state the COA is responsible for interior maintaince, the repairs on the interior of the unit falls as your responsiblity. This has been my experience with COAs.
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
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Unfortunately, when the insurance companies start pointing fingers at each other, each saying "It's the other guy's responsibility to pay," which they often do since they each want to get out of paying, it takes a court to settle the matter. Then it ends up costing everyone more.

We never learn.

Why don't the insurance companies each agree to simply pay half the cost and be done with it?
PetunkaM (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
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Bruce, high deductibles.
MichaelA4 (Ohio)
Posts: 11
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I want to thank everyone for their comments on my roof leak. I went today to see a attorney. The attorney advised me to go ahead and file a law suit against the association so I did. It's sad it had to come to this the associations attorney fees will run way more than the claim is for. Thanks again for all the imput I have received.

Michael

AnthonyD11 (Colorado)
Posts: 13
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The association is definitely responsible for the loss of or damage. It happened with us too, but after 2 months of long fight, we got what we strived for.

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