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BobC6 (Virginia)
Posts: 77
Posted:
I live in Virginia which does not limit the number of years that a developer as declarant has control over the HOA Board. But I've heard that there may be some states that place a legal limit on the number of years. If true, I would like to know which states have such laws and what necessitated or motivated the enactment. Also, how many years? 5, 10, 20, 30,....?

In Virginia, as possibly in other states, the declarant control period is set by the CC&Rs - in our community it is 40 years or when 90% of the lots are sold.

However, long declarant control periods can have costly consequences to the communities if there is a built-in conflict of interest where the HOA Attorney has an incentive to favor the declarant over the community due to fear of being fired by the declarant. The longer the control period, the greater the economic incentive. Therefore, Virginia may benefit from the experience and examples from other states in how they protect the interests of their HOAs.

Bob
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
Bob,

Connecticut's law regarding HOAs is the "Connecticut Common Interest Ownership Act" and is based on the UCIOA that has been adopted by a small handfull of other states.

The section regarding declarant control reads:

"(d) Subject to the provisions of subsection (e) of this section, the declaration may provide for a period of declarant control of the association, during which a declarant, or persons designated by the declarant, may appoint and remove the officers and members of the executive board. A declarant may voluntarily surrender the right to appoint and remove officers and members of the executive board before the period ends. In that event, the declarant may require, during the remainder of the period, that specified actions of the association or executive board, as described in a recorded instrument executed by the declarant, be approved by the declarant before they become effective. Regardless of the period provided in the declaration, a period of declarant control terminates no later than the earlier of: (1) Sixty days after conveyance of sixty per cent of the units that may be created to unit owners other than a declarant, except that in the case of a master planned community, control terminates no later than sixty days after conveyance to unit owners other than the declarant of sixty per cent of the maximum number of units that may be built, if that number is specified, or, if no such number is specified, after conveyance to unit owners other than the declarant of three hundred units; (2) two years after all declarants have ceased to offer units for sale in the ordinary course of business; (3) two years after any right to add new units was last exercised; or (4) the date the declarant, after giving notice in a record to unit owners, records an instrument voluntarily surrendering all rights to control activities of the association."
BobC6 (Virginia)
Posts: 77
Posted:
Thank you Bruce. If we were in CT with the 60% sold transition trigger (in our case 840 lots out of 1400) then the community would have been gained control about 3 - 4 years ago. Now there are 950 lots sold out of the 1400 plannned.
Bob
DavidW5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 565
Posted:
Bob,

I can certainly identify with the issue you raised. Our Virginia HOA's CCR's gave the declarant the option to maintain total control until the last home settled. We originally expected transition to occur in 2008 but the housing market collapse stretched that out until 2010.

Once an elected board took over we were able to implement so many efficiencies (which the declarant had no motivation to pursue) that we ended 2010 with a $175,000 surplus. 2011 looks like it will have at least that big a surplus even though we have added new items (e.g. a maintenance vehicle). The dues will remain unchanged in 2012 allowing the board to undertake many new capital improvements.

The Virginia statute is so biased toward the developers that one has to wonder how much cash is passing from them to the legislators.
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By DavidW5 on 08/15/2011 8:58 AM
we ended 2010 with a $175,000 surplus.

Uh oh.

While that's an achievement to be proud of, it may have tax implications. I don't believe you can have a surplus and qualify for a tax exemption as an HOA. I believe that according to the IRS tax code you either have to return the surplus to the homeowners or file taxes as a standard corporation (and pay taxes on the surplus).

Check IRS code 26cfr1.528.
BobC6 (Virginia)
Posts: 77
Posted:
Yes, I believe you would pay taxes unless you had losses from prior years which is often the case if developers subsidies from the early lean years were rolled over as would be our situation.

David, we also would have significant savings by having control but control is not the only means. It seems the community should be able to have legal representation separate from the declarant controlled board and funded out of the HOA's budget. Then the community can avoid unncessary losses when the potentially pro-developer HOA attorney gives advice that is not in the best interest of the declarant controlled HOA.

Perhaps VA HOAs cab benefit from some new legislation that captures some of these ideas from other states. I'm interested in other examples so any legislation we propose has the benefit of the experience of others. So far I see limiting declarant control period and giving HOAs during that period separate legal resources selected and paid for by the community versus the declarant controlled Board.
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
Bob,

One thing I didn't include from CT law is that when 1/3 of the homes to be built have been purchased by owners other than the declarant, the homeowners are entitled to minority representation on the board (1/3 of the board must be homeowners).
BobC6 (Virginia)
Posts: 77
Posted:
Bruce, our hoa has 7 board members 3 of whom are elected by the members. However, the net benefit to the community can be less than if there were no elected board members if the resident board members always rubber stamp the declarant in control. This has happened here with the detrimental effect that any actions taken that hurt the HOA are defended by the declarant saying it was a unanimous vote. In fact our hoa attorney has argued that the best defense for the declarant when it is charged for violation of its fiduciary responsibilities is the argument that the resident directors supported the decision.

So why would resident board members elected by the members always vote with the declarant when the hoa's interests are damaged? Several.
1. They don't have direct access to the hoa attorney so the declarant becomes the conduit for the legal advice using cost control as the justification.
2. If there is any direct access to the hoa attorney is only through one of the resident directors who is also an affiliate of the declarant e.g. economic dependence.
3. The declarant uses executive sessions to tell them something that may be false such as - declarant may about to go out of business if you decide in favor of the hoa or follow the law and that would be more devestating to the hoa so fiduciary responsibility requires support of the declarant. Thus decisions are being based on secret business information that is private (perhaps under non-disclosure agreement that is more restrictive than executive sessions) and cannot be independently verified and in one case I uncovered were absolutely false. Thus false financial and legal advice turns "independent" votes into rubber stamps for the declarant.
4. Resident directors told that a dissenting vote is not constructive and futile since the declarant has control so your duty is to benefit the association by minimizing controversy and go along with the declarant.
5. Board decision requests a recommendation from a committee with biases, ignorance (easy to dupe) or financial business ties to declarant,...
6. Executive sessions are used to conduct hoa business that is not covered under the exemptions for executive sessions thus blocking any visibility to the larger community which is oblivious to the reasons given for taking such an action.
7. Disclosure and access to financial records of the HOA are blocked by the declarant since he knows that no member will spend his/her money for legal costs benefit the HOA thus the declarant can act with impunity and disregard for the law and be certain he can bet away with it since the HOA jas no independent legal advice. The HOA attorney only is accountable to the HOA board which the declarant controls so the HOA has no legal representation, only faux representation.
8. HOA attorney has a conflict of interest and acts accordingly.

Bob
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
Bob,

Our story is quite different. Originally, when under declarant control, we had a 3-member board: two relatives of the declarant with the declarant as president. When it came time to elect a homeowner to the board, the homeowners elected a person who was previously a president in another HOA. Armed with previous HOA experience and a desire to vigorously study the association's documents and state HOA and corporate law, this individual became a very vocal minority member of the board. He and I would often consult on issues facing the homeowners, transition, and discuss strategy. Even though a minority board member, he succeeded in convincing the board to change management companies after he discovered that the original MC was not properly handling the association finances. He also succeeded in obtaining a new lawyer for the association by convincing the board that having the declarant's lawyer represent both parties would be a conflict of interest. At my suggestion and urging, he succeeded in getting the bylaws amended to require a 5-member board after transition. By the time we were 60% sold out the association was in a much better position for transition and a homeowner majority board.
BobC6 (Virginia)
Posts: 77
Posted:
Bruce, it is great when one or two individuals can have that kind of impact. But laws should be designed such that individuals like yourself and the other fellow do not have to bear the brunt of all the cost and work while the whole community gets the benefit. One way to spread the load would be to have a channel of communication to rally others.

But we cannot easily communicate with other members so few know what is really going on. Though Virginia law 55.510.2 (http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+55-510.2) says the HOA board should set up a free method for members to communicate among themselves, the declarant refuses to do so and only allows one way communication where any member can send in a question and the declarant decides if it wants to reply much less let others know about the question.

So the legislative changes to address this might be:
1. a way to limit the declarant's control period
2. separate legal representation selected by the members and paid for by the asociation during the declarant control period
3. free to criticize the "hoa government" like we're free to criticize any government performing government services like roads and other infrastructure.

It seems that if we can convince our state legislative bodies that this is needed to avoid loss of millions because we don't have legal representation then other HOA's under long term declarant control can avoid huge losses in the future.

Bob
BobC6 (Virginia)
Posts: 77
Posted:
Encouraged by our dialogue I attempted today to see if there was a way that the declarant would allow two way communication among members regarding the legality of the millions being charged to association members. I used a web site I set up to discuss the issues and I wanted the 900 member community to know about it. Below is the exchange in sequence leaving all specific names out.

As you can see below, no communications are permitted between hoa members without declarant BOD control despite what the law says. You would never guess that this is taking place in the USA.

Here is the relevant law: http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+55-510.2

§ 55-510.2. Distribution of information by members.

The board of directors shall establish a reasonable, effective, and free method, appropriate to the size and nature of the association, for lot owners to communicate among themselves and with the board of directors regarding any matter concerning the association.

Bob
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to: declarant
subject: hoa news letter submittal

Do I send submissions for the Communicator to XX or you?

Below is my submission to the Communicator. Let me know if it can still make the September/October 2011 edition.

Submittal for the Communicator

At www.abcdxxx.com several questions have been raised regarding the acquisition of the XXXX assets by the HOA including - whether it was legal, does the HOA own the XXX assets and if so why isn't it keeping any records, where are the receipts for the millions of HOA funds spent, where are the complete 2010
HOA financials and why don't members have access to documents or answers regarding these months after written requests were made? If any questions, contact Bob xxx-xxxx or email: [email protected]
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reply from staff employed by declarant:

New submissions for the Communicator are sent to XX for approval. However, I can tell you now that this article won't go in the Communicator as written since all property owner questions are to be submitted to the Board of Directors for the Q/A section done by one of the Board of Directors for inclusion in their article which is done in accordance with VPOA 55.510.2.
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to: declarant
When is the Q/A section done and which Board member does it?
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reply:
They do the column when they have questions submitted. I believe they assign it among themselves so you would want to submit it to all 3 of the
resident board members.
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to: declarant
Thank you ZZ. And what is the method the BOD set up when members want to freely communicate among themselves about the association as stipulated by the law you referenced - 55.510.2?

§ 55-510.2. Distribution of information by members.

The board of directors shall establish a reasonable, effective, and free method, appropriate to the size and nature of the association, for lot owners to communicate among themselves ,... regarding any matter concerning the association.
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reply:

As previously notified in 2009, the Q&A section of the newsletter meets 55.510.2's requirement according to our attorneys and the CIC Ombudsman as the newsletter is distributed to ALL property owners
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end of exchange

DavidW5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 565
Posted:
Bob,

Let me offer some advice based on personal experience. Several years ago our declarent controlled BOD took down the on-line discussion forum that had existed on the community web site. There were a number of serious issues that had been raised and the developer didn't like the fact that the discussion forum was making all of the homeowners aware of them.

We formed a group with the intention of circulating a monthly "dear neighbor" email to the community (we were able to obtain a complete email listing of the association members). These emails addressed a different issue each month.

After the first one was circulated, the developer had their attorney send us a letter threatening uspecified action if we continued. We each chipped in funds to consult an attorney and on his advice, we incorporated as a Virginia nonstock corporation. Then all emails were sent with the corporation letterhead and signed by an officer of the corporation.

The pressure these communications created forced the board to appoint homeowners to a finance and a transition committee.

When our first election was held, the corporation backed a slate of candidates that now is a majority of the board.
BobC6 (Virginia)
Posts: 77
Posted:
David - very successful outcome - but having that forum to begin with gave you a leg up. We don't have that.
What was the legal basis for threatening you to shut down your forum and then your email newsletter?
How did a non-stock Corp solve that problem?

Thanks for the ideas,
Bob
DavidW5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 565
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By BobC6 on 08/16/2011 6:24 PM
David - very successful outcome - but having that forum to begin with gave you a leg up. We don't have that.
What was the legal basis for threatening you to shut down your forum and then your email newsletter?
How did a non-stock Corp solve that problem?

Thanks for the ideas,
Bob

The lawyer we consulted told us that developers often file law suits against association members who give them a hard time. These have no legal basis and no purpose other than to deter criticism. By having all communication go out from the corporation, any suit would have to be filed against the corporation rather than against any individuals. Since the corporation has no assets, any such suit can safely be ignored.
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By BobC6 on 08/16/2011 6:24 PM
David - very successful outcome - but having that forum to begin with gave you a leg up. We don't have that.
What was the legal basis for threatening you to shut down your forum and then your email newsletter?
How did a non-stock Corp solve that problem?

Thanks for the ideas,
Bob

Bob,

Lawyers sometimes have no real legal basis and use intimidation and their status as a lawyer to bully individuals into complying with their client's wishes. That's the least expensive way to get what they want for their client. It's based on the assumption they know the law and the average person doesn't, and the individual will be unwilling to hire and/or unable to afford their own lawyer and so will capitulate. That strategy can backfire, though, when the individual (or a group of individuals) decides to hire their own attorney.

I, personally, faced a similar situation several years ago. I received a threatening letter from a lawyer ordering me to cease and desist a business relationship with a friend of mine. The claim was that by doing business with me, my friend was in violation of his contract with the lawyer's client, and therefore, by doing business with my friend, I was aiding him. I knew enough to recognize that the lawyer's claim was hogwash. I also knew that this lawyer was a "general purpose" lawyer and a friend of the client, so it was likely the lawyer did not have in-depth knowledge of contract law and was likely performing this simple service for his client for free. I also realized that if I replied to the cease and desist order it would be useless, since I am not a lawyer.

It appeared the best response was to "up the ante", so to speak, so my friend and I agreed to split the cost of an initial consultation with the best contract lawyer we could find in the area. After reviewing all the facts our lawyer sent a response to the other lawyer and also directed the other lawyer that all future correspondence should go through him. We never heard another word in the matter. It cost us $250 apiece for many more nights of restful sleep and a continued business relationship.
BobC6 (Virginia)
Posts: 77
Posted:
Thank you Bruce and David. In both cases by hiring your own attorney at a small expense you produced results. But organizing the community to let them know what is happening is a first step so I made another attempt today to convince the declarant to send my message out on its email list to the community. See below.

to: declarant

You wrote that my submittal to the XYNewsletter (our association funded newsletter) "won't go in the XYNewsletter as written since all property owner questions are to be submitted to the Board of Directors for the Q/A section done by one of the Board of Directors for inclusion in their article which is done in accordance with VPOA 55.510.2." I asked how the board was meeting the legal requirement of VA/POA 55.510.2 that says members should be able to communicate among themselves freely about association matters. You replied that the newsletter meets 55.510.2's requirement according to your attorneys.

55-510.2's title says "distribution of information by members" - it does not say distribution of information by the declarant or board as the declarant has claimed. By not allowing direct member communications to other members but only what is approved and censored under declarant control, that prevents the rest of the community from knowing exactly what has been uncovered by other members in a timely manner. See precise wording of 55.510.2 below:

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+55-510.2

§ 55-510.2. Distribution of information by members.

The board of directors shall establish a reasonable, effective, and free method, appropriate to the size and nature of the association, for lot owners to communicate among themselves and with the board of directors regarding any matter concerning the association.

Most Americans would probably disagree withdeclarant's attorney's interpretations of that law for "effective communications among lot owners" if the identical logic were applied to American's "free speech" right to communicate among themselves. An interpretation that said all communications among US citizens must be sent to the government and only as questions which only the government can answer - that interpretation might not seem like an "a reasonable, effective, and free method, ..., for US citizens to communicate among themselves".

Since my submittal to the XYNewsletter has been refused, I am requesting publication of my submittal (below) on declarant's email list to the whole community. The topic is certainly of the highest importance since it involves the possible waste and therefore loss of $3 to $6 million (with interest) of association assessments. If a lot owner's submittal of a lost pet can get broadcast on the email list, certainly the loss of millions of the association's funds through possible waste and illegality deserves community-wide notification.

As a licensed CIC manager, declarant has a fiduciary responsibility to protect the financial interests of the association. Not addressing this possible waste of our assessments harms our community. By refusing to let the community know about this critical issue and hiding other acquisition related financial information that might expose what has happened, that act itself may constitute a cover-up which also may be a violation of declarant's fiduciary responsibilities.

Submittal for declarant's email list to the community

At www.xyz.com several questions have been raised regarding the acquisition of the CC assets by the HOA including - whether it was legal, does the HOA own the CC assets and if so why isn't it keeping any records, where are the receipts for the millions of HOA funds spent, where are the complete 2010 HOA financials and why don't members have access to documents or answers - now months after written requests were made? If any questions, contact Bob xxx-xxxx or email: [email protected]

The HOA community should be made aware of these issues so I have posted this at http://xyz.com

Respectfully submitted,

Bob
HOA member
BobC6 (Virginia)
Posts: 77
Posted:
The declarant replied that the HOA attorney and the Board believe that only allowing the board to communicate with the HOA members meets the laws requirement that members be given a free method to communicate among themselves about association matters.

This is the typical response that the declarant makes for many of the laws that protect the interests of our HOA. So what do you do when an HOA has no legal representation to protect its interests and restore the rule of law. The unanimous response is to hire an attorney for legal advice on how to represent the interests of the association.

In our situation, attorneys have recommended that a group of homeowners get together and fund the legal effort. But I see a fundamental flaw in that approach where a few individuals fund an effort that the declarant opposes and is willing to use the resources of the very victims who are trying to restore the rule of law.

The rule of law versus the law of the jungle revolves around the principle that brute bullying should not determine the outcome of justice but that laws should govern the application of justice. If laws can be flaunted at will by the brute force of more money against a few individuals then we have the law of the jungle.

That is why I prefer to get a law enacted that would guarantee that all HOAs have legal representation for the purpose of gaining the benefits of the very laws designed to protect them.

The heart of the problem and a structural problem of Virginia HOAs under declarant control is that the declarant has fiduciary responsibility to the HOA but there is no legal mechanism using the resources of the HOA to enforce that responsibility. There needs to be a law that any HOA member can invoke that says when a POA law appears to be violated that member can provide the evidence to a Common Interest Community Ombudsman open to the public and press. The Ombudsman or a board decides in an open forum if there is enough evidence to hire an independent attorney using the resources of the HOA to investigate and recommend action in the fiduciary interests of the HOA. Open to the press is essential to avoid the problem of regulatory capture where the Ombudsman has a conflict of interest due to future employment opportunities from the same developer or legal firms under question.

Bob
DavidW5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 565
Posted:
Bob,

In Va. there is an Ombudsman's office that is part of the Common Interest Community Board established by the state. The ombudsman's office will reviews disputes between members and there association when there has been an "adverse determination" by the association to a complaint by a member. This sounds like your situation.

The Virginia government website under DPOR has the forms to use to submit your issue. My experience is that there is little chance that the ombudsman will actually do something, but the fact of your having submitted a complaint may just get your declarant to be more responsive
BobC6 (Virginia)
Posts: 77
Posted:
David, you are right and I did contact them in 2009 about the declarant not following certain laws such as holding our funds in federally insured accounts. As you observed, the Ombudsman did nothing useful. In fact, it was worse than useless.

Their response was harmful to the association by taking the side of the declarant who argued that it was worth the risk of holding millions of our funds in non-federally insured accounts (this was in September 2008 at the height of the banking crisis and for the next few years) because the developer needed the loan funds which it could not get if they didn't place our money with the loaning bank. It turns out that bank was failing and was taken over by another stronger bank with a $7 billion TARP subsidy.

Two years later some lawyers looked at what was done and said it was illegal not keeping our money safe as the VA/POA law required. So why spend tax dollars on an Ombudsman's office that recommends illegal actions and not only does nothing to stop them but supports them.

The VA Ombudsman's responses seem to act as a trade association lobby building business for the HOA legal industry. Its standard response is hire an attorney. In my opinion, tax payer money would be better spent with a simple sign on their door saying "hire an attorney" if that is all they do.

Just the same there is a need for an Ombudsman's office to actually contribute some useful protections for the HOA members as I said before.

So to summarize what I learned on this topic regarding the original question of "which states limit the declarant control period":
1. only a few states - the 16 who have adopted the model code CT uses as Bruce mentioned. Possibly other states though I don't know who they are.
2. legislation that demands mandatory HOA funding for legal advice when HOA's are the victims of illegal acts by the declarant and that legal resource must be selected by the community and not the declarant. Perhaps leave out the Ombudsman's role due to regulatory capture problem as exists in VA.
3. a mechanism to limit declarant control period
4. protect rights of members to criticize the declarant just like we do any government we disagree with so declarant cannot force silence through bully tactics.
5. a mandatory mechanism to insure HOA members can exchange information among themselves easily e.g. mandatory access to the email list the declarant uses just like their is manadatory access now to the physical addresses of all members.

I plan to start another topic "Scammed or not" on how our HOA was duped out of millions so others can better appreciate the severe risk HOAs are under when they have no legal protection. The conventional wisdom is that the HOA attorney reports to the HOA board which represents the community and not the individual HOA members. This seems reasonable until our developer discovered a flaw in that structure and exploited it.

The flaw was that any decision made independent of the HOA Board by the HOA members that is binding on the whole community (e.g. bank requires written consents from a majority of members to take out a $3.2 million loan backed by the pledge of HOA assessments) has no legal representation since the HOA attorney only reports to the board. So the HOA members acting alone are vulnerable since without any legal guidance. That vulnerability is worth millions if the members are relatively naive compared to the declarant. The HOA pledge is extremely valuable because it is backed up by almost half a billion dollars of home equity in our community as valued at the top of the bubble.

Though only $3 to $4 million has been taken by the scams so far, we still may be able to avoid the tens of millions I fear the declarant sees as easy pickings. The financial schemes are quite sophisticated so over 99% here never knew it had happened and thus the need for open communications among members so they can arm themselves next time to avoid being duped.

I remember a few years back that Northern Virginia had about $3 million stollen by a management company employee victimizing about 400 HOAs. Our story is worse since our losses are from one HOA alone and worse than outright theft since harder to recover. Many of the losing HOAs recovered their losses through insurance. Doubtful we will be able to collect unless we can get it through the CIC management insurance fund for licensees.

Bob
DavidW5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 565
Posted:
Bob,

Your characterization of the CICB and the ombudsmans office coincide pretty well with what I have posted here in previous threads: they serve to provide political cover for the developers, the HOA management companies, and HOA attorneys. The state can say "see how we hold them accountable and protect your (the homeowner's) interests" while not truly performing any useful regulatory function.

There's a saying that "the price of freedom is eternal vigilance". I'm afraid that applies to life in an HOA too. You are pretty much on your own to look out for your own interests and those of your neighbors. That's why I have gotten involved in my HOA's operations. I volunteered for the finance committee. After being on the committee for 4 months (I had attended every previous meeting as an interested homeowner)I was appointed chairman when the previous chairman moved to another state. Now I know where every penny is going and I have more influence on how the association operates than most of the individual board members.

Fortunately I am retired and have the time, energy and interest to devote to all of this. It is a shame that most states give little if any help the members of HOAs who want to see their organizations run well and in compliance with the governing documents.
BobC6 (Virginia)
Posts: 77
Posted:
Which threads or topics did you discuss the CICB? I hadn't read it.
It is good to hear that others are starting to address these problems.

There is also a radio program in VA that discusses these issues at 2pm on Saturdays.
Their web site is:
on the commons dot org or dot us

There are probably other sources out there but that is one whose library of past programs is very extensive and a rich source of help for HOA members like this forum. Education and exchange of information is a great way to assist anyone with what are the best laws that protect HOA members.

Look forward to reading the discussion on ombudsman performance with others. I wonder if VA is unique or if other states have the equivalent and does it really assist HOAs or is it just a PR cover while using the arm of state government to drive up the cost and business for the HOA industry.

Bob
DavidW5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 565
Posted:
arting to address these problems.
Quote:
Posted By BobC6 on 08/20/2011 3:04 AM

There is also a radio program in VA that discusses these issues at 2pm on Saturdays.
Their web site is:
on the commons dot org or dot us

Bob

I was in frequent touch with Shu Bartholomew, the producer of On The Commons. Back when we were having all our issues I sent her copies of all of our "Dear Neighbor" emails and she provided some valuable feedback.

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