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LynnS6 (California)
Posts: 11
Posted:
In our neighborhood (California), we have a foreclosed property that is now owned by the bank. The house has been neglected and a board member hired a crew of workers to fix up the place so that it doesn't bring down the value of the neighborhood. Is this legal? Can our board have people perform work on a house that is owned by the bank without the bank's permission? I thought all we could do was to fine the bank for neglect.
LawrenceC1 (Georgia)
Posts: 480
Posted:
Lynn,

Check your governing documents for a clause that refers to "self help". If present, such a clause gives the Association the right to to enter a property correct a condition that violates the CC&R's. Usually the Association is also empowered to bill the owner for any work that had to be done.
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
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Posted By LynnS6 on 08/11/2011 10:44 AM
In our neighborhood (California), we have a foreclosed property that is now owned by the bank. The house has been neglected and a board member hired a crew of workers to fix up the place so that it doesn't bring down the value of the neighborhood. Is this legal? Can our board have people perform work on a house that is owned by the bank without the bank's permission? I thought all we could do was to fine the bank for neglect.

First, I hope the board member didn't hire a crew for the cleanup on his or her own. I hope that the board voted to authorize the hiring of the cleanup. What I'm getting at is if your documents do allow the association to enter property to correct a situation and bill the homeowner, you should be able to bill the bank for the cleanup. However, if the action was never authorized by the board, you may have created a loophole for the bank to get out of payment.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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The association needs to contact the bank before doing anything with the property. The banks can take care of their properties if they are made aware there is an issue to be taken care of. The HOA or board member should have contacted the bank FIRST and foremost before doing any kind of work on the property. The HOA has to do the same type of procedure they would do with any other owner in violation. Give notification FIRST there is an issue, and then if they don't complete repairs go in and fix it/bill it.

It's frustrating to have abandoned property like this. However, legally the HOA can't do much about it. They can continue to provide lawncare service if that is what the HOA provides. Maybe notify utilities of broken connections like water, down line, or other utility issues. There of course are emergency situations that one may have to get involved like fire or vandalism etc...It's just when it comes to maintenance of the property and interior entrance...It's a NO-Go...

I sure hope the board approved the work prior to it being done. Otherwise, it's on that board member to pay that bill....Unless the owners agree to that work and allow the person to get reimbursed...

Former HOA President
LynnS6 (California)
Posts: 11
Posted:
The board did not vote on it. One board member and one neighbor (non-Board member) took it upon themselves to hire a crew and they are working on both the inside and outside of the house. I'm not a board member but a concerned homeowner. Another neighbor contacted the bank and was told that the bank did not hire any workers or authorize any work to be done. I just checked our governing documents and it says that only after Notice and Hearing can the board enter the property and make repairs and then bill the owner. My concern is that they are working on the inside of the house.
JonD1
Posts: 2,350
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Lynn:

Seems to me you need to gather some more facts before we have a clear picture as to what is going on.

Are the other members of the Baord aware of what is happening?

And just what is the nature of the work being done?

Inside?
Outside?

And have any bills been submitted to the Baord for payment by those perfroming this work?

Has the Baord or MC paid these bills if they were submitted?

Does the Board member you say authorized this work intend to have the property cover any costs?

If you don't know the answer to these questions you just might be jumping the gun.

Mowing the lawn does not require an act of God.

Cleaning the yeard of debris does not require approval IMO.

Now once you enter the property my question would be why and how did you gain access?

In most states entering a property that you do not own without permission from the owner would be trespassing.

Do you have monthly meetings? Do you attend? IMO get some facts and details with which to work with.

LynnS6 (California)
Posts: 11
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I agree that I don't want to jump the gun and that is why I'm trying to get as much information as possible. The workers are painting and removing drywall on the inside. I don't know who will be paying. The bank said they didn't know about any work being done and that they had secured the house and was wondering how they gained access.
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
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Posted By LynnS6 on 08/11/2011 12:30 PM
I agree that I don't want to jump the gun and that is why I'm trying to get as much information as possible. The workers are painting and removing drywall on the inside. I don't know who will be paying. The bank said they didn't know about any work being done and that they had secured the house and was wondering how they gained access.

Ouch! This doesn't sound good to me. Tresspassing? Breaking and entering? From the description, it does sound to me like the property may have been entered illegally.

They may have had the best of intentions, but there's a right way and a wrong way to go about doing things. They may have to end up paying for the work for themselves. At the worst, they could be in more trouble than that.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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It's highly possible that those individuals will be financially responsible for the work, any damage caused by the work and any repercussions that may result because of the work.

Typically, when an Association does enter the property to perform work that work is limited to the outside.

The Board better take some action against the one individual who is on the board (at least a certified letter stating that the Association did not authorize the work) in order to protect themselves.

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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I've been in this situation before. We actually had 1 property that was never lived in for 10 years! My realtor showed it to me when I was first looking. The house's air conditioning hadn't been on in years, there were cobwebs all over the place, and water damage in the garage over the electrical box. I was looking for a "fixer-upper" NOT a fire hazaard...It was STILL empty when I became President.

What also caught my eye about the place was that they had an illegal HUGE satellite dish in the yard. The original kind from the 80/90's...The HOA's ONLY legal responsibility is lawncare. So that is what the HOA did for all those years. We just mowed the yard. That's all we could do. We did have a lien on the place but after several years the paperwork just got lost or not followed up on. It was basically a wash on the lien and any back dues.

It is frustrating indeed. However, to take matters into your own hands or the HOA's in this case, isn't the right way to handle it. I'd put the bank in touch with the HOA somehow. Give them a couple of the board members contact numbers. The work needs to stop until it is worked out. This is an example of why HOA's can become bad HOA's...

Former HOA President
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
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Are your houses attached to one another with common walls? If so, perhaps the reason for going inside and ripping out drywall is that there is a leaky roof over a common wall and mold growing inside the wall. The lack of maintenance on the bank-owned property may be causing structural and health problems that require immediate action.
PetunkaM (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
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Even if these houses are townhouses it is the owner’s responsibility to periodically check a vacant unit for leaking roofs, faulty plumbing etc. Unless the owner reports a problem the Association is not responsible for any interior damages. And, has the bank insured the property? Even if they did, they’d probably be denied any claim providing they do not inspect the property.

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