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BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
Posted:
a lawyer told the Board that we have to let anyone over 57 (per age requirement of our documents) who buys a unit to move in. We are a Nebraska condominium of 43 units (independent living). The brother of a lady who actually needs assited living bought a unit for her.
I talked to her a few weeks ago and told her we are not assisted living. She asked me if we provided housekeeping and I told her she could hire someone but we do not provide it. When I talked to her I emphasized we were not assisted living.
She called antoher Board member today and told this Board member she needs someone to give her insulin shots 2 times a day and also about other help she will need.
I don't think we should have allowed this purchase.
Does anyone know of any law reqarding independent living facilities in the state of NE? I know assited living and nursing home have certain guidelines to follow before admitting anyone.
An assisted living facility would not have let my mother stay if she was on a sliding scale for insulin.
I have the state laws on my computer, but I can't seem to find what I need. Thanks.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
When someone sells a unit in your condo, does the board have to approve the sale? Or is the sale strictly a matter between the seller and the buyer? My observation of age-restricted communities is that generally anyone can own a unit regardless of their age but the actual occupants must meet the age restrictions.

Assuming that the brother purchased the unit directly from the previous owner it looks like the brother and sister totally misunderstood what they were buying. If that is the situation, then the association is not liable for that problem.

But you said "I don't think we should have allowed this purchase." That implies that your association was somehow involved in the sale of the unit. That opens your HOA up to claims that you either implied to the buyer that you were a nursing home or that your HOA knew that the buyer thought it was a nursing home and the HOA failed to inform him otherwise. (I am not saying that your HOA did that; I am only saying that the buyer could make those claims.)

Your BOD should send both the buyer (the brother) and the occupant (the sister) a written statement advising both that while your condos are age-restricted they are not an assisted living facility. Your BOD should also try to find out why this buyer thought you are an assisted living facility in case you somehow unintentionally gave the wrong impression.

I would also recommend calling your adult protective service and let them know of this situation. Hate to say it but it almost sounds like the brother is trying dump his disabled sister anywhere he can. Since you already told her you were not an assisted living facility and she then asked another board member for medical assistance, it also sounds like there may be some mental health issues involved. Knowing that she has physical needs (the insulin shots) and suspecting that she may be mentally impaired, the worst possible thing you can do now is nothing. Notify whatever authorities you can and let them handle this issue.

And on a personal level, I would not hesitate for a moment to contact that idiot brother and ream him out for dumping his sister on you.
BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
Posted:
The Board was not involve in the sale of the unit. Somehow along the way the BOD thought each owner had to interviewed. I think that is in our documents. We were sarted in 1981. Iread the FHA 1988 amendments online yesterday and it appears to me that we have to comply with te American with Disabilities ACT of 1988 but not the age sinc we are a retiemen community.
Thanks for yur response. Especially the part about contactng the Adult Protective Services.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Bonnie,

It's possible that the woman doesn't understand the difference but the brother does. Therefore, contact the brother and explain that the condo is just an age restricted building and does not provide any assisted living services. I suspect that the woman contacted her brother when the board said no to providing insulin shots anyway.

Tim
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

This sounds like a miscommunication to her and that is she does understand all of the information. She needs a visiting nurse to come in to do her medical care. She pays for that. I really think that she does not understand this. It has no bearing on the HOA. I would say that her Brother needs to try to get her to understand. Interview or no interview, she could not be denied a purchase just because she needs care. It is the family's responsibility to handle this. Board--Stay out of it!

My 55 + community in Florida has tons of nursing care that is regularily seen in the developement.Getting old is not always pretty but it sure can be expensive.
DoloresM2 (California)
Posts: 60
Posted:
It does sound like this poor lady is under a misconception as to the type of housing her brother bought for her. The fact that she contacted another board member when she did not get an answer from the first one.she needs insulin shots, seems to confirm that. However, the brother would seem to care about her as he provided her with housing but why would he not do a little more research in how it meets her needs.

If she needs insulin shots, the chances are that the should be given daily and I wonder who is doing that now. I think it would very considerate if someone checked to make sure she is getting her medication while you are contacting the brother.
DoloresM2 (California)
Posts: 60
Posted:
sorry about the garbled message, as editing is not an option, disregard "needs insulin shots" in first paragraph. I moved it to the second paragraph but forgot to take it out of the first.
BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
Posted:
Thanks for all your responses. They have all been helpful. We do have many caregivers coming to care for people in our condominium. However, each one that needs a care giver now was completely independent when they moved in. We are not thrilled about having someone move in who needs multiple caregivers from the get go.
HoaC (Florida)
Posts: 95
Posted:
Word to the wise. Make sure everything is in writing. Serve the brother and the lady with a certified letter requiring signature.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Bonnie,

If it is the caregivers that are your concern, require them to be "on record" to keep thrack of who is visiting the unit. Soooo, you are not "thrilled" about having someone move in who needs mulitple caregivers? After you read what I just quoted, does that make you wonder that perhaps you or your friends may be in the same situation some day? Will it feel different when it is you? I think that your concerns are really not very neighborly. Geez, she might really be a nice lady and need someone to talk with.
BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
Posted:
I would have felt the same way if I had not been able to care for myself, I would not have moved into an independent living retirement home.
I know I may be in the same shape someday myself as I have macular degeneration and will eventually go blind. But I moved into the building when I was working full time.
I have no problem with health going downhill and needing multiple care givers, what I have a problem with is someone moving in who thinks we provide free housekeeping, meals, and medical services,(insulin shots) mail service, reading service etc. when she has been told multiple times we do not provide these.

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