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PennyK (Florida)
Posts: 59
Posted:
Well Ladies and Gentleman

I do not know what to say my sign that was outside of my house, which was on
my property with approval from the DRB or Board. Was stolen for the second time
2 days ago and now returned with a message. I have to laugh because this lunatic
did this to various other signs. The Sign originally said to "keep them Safe 20 mph Please!"
Due to the speeding in the neighborhood, keeping children safe and since my kids do not
play in the street, I found this interesting. Who is crazy enough to do this and not
care about our children. We have done our part by calling the police and the sign was
dusted for finger prints. I know this sound alittle extreme for a sign but I am tired
of dealing with this lunatic who thinks they are above the law! What do I do with such a person!

Here is a photo below, Is this person crazy or is it just me???
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DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Penny,

Not a lunitic but probably someone who says that kids should not play in the streets. Streets are for vehicles, not kids playing, possibly GETTING HIT BY A CAR!!! It is the law. Sorry.

Speeding thru the community is another issue. That creates a hazard for anyone who could be in the streets. Sppeding is a big issue in all communities. I can give you a hundred different threads right here on how to address the speeding.

As for writting on your sign, that would have involved tresspassing, a whole other issue. Your Board needs to address the speeding, then you can remove your sign and encourage your kids to play in their yards, in a park or someplace safe.
PetunkaM (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
Some Associations purchased a radar gun (not that expensive) and amended their docs to levy fines for speeding.
PennyK (Florida)
Posts: 59
Posted:
Donna
This is not a problem, someone came on my property stole my sign and 3 others
and wrote on it and placed it back. The signs where a result of the speeding
not just for kids, it said Keep them Safe, we had a dog and a cat hit 2 months ago, a hit and run! The county has not responded only to say we need speed bumps which cost a fortune, out of budget for the community, so now the board will try to get a radar sign approved by the county. The board is trying, but the county is not wanting to spend money either.

As for the Kids they are not all in the street they are in their yards or sidewalks on my side of the street that is what I have seen, and they are all supervised by adults. But when you have cars blowing down the road giving you the finger for telling them to slow down and others too getting angry at slowing down, it is lunacy! If you are driving 20mph then you would not be upset for speeding or slowing down because you are already going slow.

These signs before they where stolen before, where helping, the speed limit was 20 mph, and we are reinforcing the limits. Once we get a radar sign up then we can take them down. This idea about the signs was given to be by two other communities with HOA who said it worked wonders for them, so they told the board where to get them and it was great until a bunch irritated homeowners did not want them up at all with or without approval, why whom does it hurt other than the speeding people. I am appalled at kind of disgusted at this behavior from adults
PennyK (Florida)
Posts: 59
Posted:
Donna
This is not a problem, someone came on my property stole my sign and 3 others
and wrote on it and placed it back. The signs where a result of the speeding
not just for kids, it said Keep them Safe, we had a dog and a cat hit 2 months ago, a hit and run! The county has not responded only to say we need speed bumps which cost a fortune, out of budget for the community, so now the board will try to get a radar sign approved by the county. The board is trying, but the county is not wanting to spend money either.

As for the Kids they are not all in the street they are in their yards or sidewalks on my side of the street that is what I have seen, and they are all supervised by adults. But when you have cars blowing down the road giving you the finger for telling them to slow down and others too getting angry at slowing down, it is lunacy! If you are driving 20mph then you would not be upset for speeding or slowing down because you are already going slow.

These signs before they where stolen before, where helping, the speed limit was 20 mph, and we are reinforcing the limits. Once we get a radar sign up then we can take them down. This idea about the signs was given to be by two other communities with HOA who said it worked wonders for them, so they told the board where to get them and it was great until a bunch irritated homeowners did not want them up at all with or without approval, why whom does it hurt other than the speeding people. I am appalled at kind of disgusted at this behavior from adults
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Penny's documents might also not allow signs in their yards either. Either way Penny, streets, with or without parental supervision are not playgrounds and you must accept this.

Our gated community of many younger owners had a speeding problem. We signed a temporary contract with Martin Co. Sheriff's Dept to patrol and to issue tickets for violations/ aka speeding.

We had to install 25 mile per hour which was higher than our 20 mph, in order for them to be within the Stat'es minimum enforcement speed.

No one knew when the Deputies were going to be on site. Their Dept handled the scheduling. We paid a fee per the contract. All Deputies were volunteers on their own time.

The speeding fines went to their Dept. They caught 27 speeders in their first 20 hours of enforcement. I should not have to tell you all that there were irate residents, many with red faces when their neighbors passed them while they were given tickets. We were asked if we wanted warning tickets issued and the answer was "NO"

After about 4 months, we cut their hours down and there no longer was a problem.
It was easy for them to catch the speeders with us having only 4 roads where anyone could get going fast. They hid, they did the trick.
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
Wow, this is a cool thread.

1) Kids shouldn't really play in the streets. However, they WILL go into the street to retrieve lost balls, frisbees, and get to each other's houses.
2) Drivers should obey the speed limits. Period. And in residential areas, drive just a bit slower even. Really, as a driver, is the extra 1.3 seconds you save driving 35 over 25 really all that important?
3) I can appreciate 'mild' crimes like the removal and altering of said signage. While I don't necessarily support the thoughts behind it, I think it's a fine way to express thoughts without real damage. No spray paint, no broken windows, no threats or idiots with bigger egos than sense... just some tape, a sign, and some fun. All possible routes of reaction considered, this is pretty mild, harms no one, and nothing. Not a bad choice.

I would suggest you continue the signs to educate the drivers, as well as occasional reminders to parents of the dangers of children not watching, rushing into the street, blind spots between cars, etc.. You can work both sides of the fence, and educate everyone to drive safer, play safer, etc..

Good luck, i think you are on the right track.
PennyK (Florida)
Posts: 59
Posted:
Understood donna but these signs had approval and are on peoples front lawns.
We are not gated nor are we a private road. The cops have been hear too, caught many people but stopped coming. we have enough signs according to the county. The cops did come out do their duty but this does not stop the speeding?

These signs are approved by DRB. How do you know our streets are without parental supervision. This is not the issue, the issue is speeding. I understand about parental provision but this does not give justice to speeders in a residential community? After about 4months of cops it was great but we had no improvement, still have the cars from the other community speeding? I am hoping the county approves the radar sign, that would solve things
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Penny,

I totally agree that speeding here is the issue. It is now and will forever be in every place that we live. You are trying to solve that problem with signs and not everyone agrees with your message. You must respect the fact that not everyone has kids nor wants to watch out for them in the roads.

However, I have lived in a couple of upscale Florida developements and Kids play in the streets and almost everytime there are no parents there. I have seen it in front of my own home. Cul-du-sacs are kid heaven. My favorite Mom across from us used to say, "I watch my kids from my kitchen". Kitchen in the back, cul-du sac in the front?

Parents do not watch their kids playing unless those are tiny tots. That is what they do. If you are with your kids every single minute, watching their every move, they still are NOT ALLOWED to play in the streets. Show me a law that says otherwise and I will quit stressing this.
RZ (Arizona)
Posts: 51
Posted:
I had to laugh at that sign! I obviously think it is wrong to deface somenes private property.

Here is my profile of the suspect:

Male
Single/Divorced/widowed
Over 60
Kids are now grown, but has grand-kids
Long time resident
Likes to take walks
Former Board Member
Attends Board meetings faithfully and always has something to say
Keeps his yard in above average condition
Drives an older American car or truck.
PennyK (Florida)
Posts: 59
Posted:
Does anyone Know the FL state Law that prohibits kids from playing in the streets? Where can I find this law?
I will present it to the board at the next meeting.

I also think it is absolutely absurd to blame the children- SLOW DOWN folks!!! Enough with this crazy neighborhood feud- it is so sad that some people put their poorly placed grudges above the safety of our children.

A friend of mine just gave this to me:

How can you make your neighborhood street safer? As a driver...Drive slower

Realize that speeding through residential neighborhoods will make very little, if any, difference in the total time it will take to complete your entire trip. In addition, driving at slower speeds allows you more time to react to the unexpected, such as a child darting out from behind a parked car.

I agree that both parents and drivers need to be responsible. But, we need to remember that parents are “teaching” their children the dangers of the street and drivers “know” the legal speed to drive. That is the difference!

I have a friend that lived in a small residential community in County and a child was hit- not playing in the street but crossing it. Why was it hit? Because the car was speeding and the child thought that they had enough time to get across. They may have had the driver not been speeding. Child and Driver are both at fault here. Remember- children’s perception is much different than an adult and ACCIDENTS HAPPEN. But, a driver driving recklessly by exceeding the speed limit is NOT an accident.

So, an older gentleman wanted to make a point to all drivers in the community. Late at night he sped 45mph from one end to the other end of the street. Total time 45 seconds. Then he went the speed limit 25mph. Total time 35 seconds. Moral of the story- is 10 seconds worth the life of anyone (child, adult, animal)? He posted that at the end of the neighborhood and yes some people actually slowed down.

I’m not saying that parents are void of responsibility. I am saying that drivers BY LAW need to adhere to the speed limits posted or they are RESPONSIBLE for the outcome of their actions. Driving any motor vehicle is a privilege and with that comes responsibility. BE RESPONSIBLE AND SLOW DOWN. GO THE SPEED LIMIT! There is a reason that the speed limit in a residential community on average is 25mph. Ours is 20mph.
HoaC (Florida)
Posts: 95
Posted:
Since you live in Florida, call the State Troopers Office in your area. Request a Drag test is done on your roads to determine a safe stopping distance based on speed. They can come out and test the asphalt, tell you what a safe speed is and the distance it will take to stop in the event a child runs into the street or a pet runs in front of a car. Then you have a state document to present to the county and ask for assistance. And the BODs can assess the speed sign and post the spedd accordingly. I know, I have done it!
BB5 (Missouri)
Posts: 145
Posted:
Go on line and price speed bumps they come in all sizes and prices some not expensive at all and easily installed . Now that our nine foot wide (one way,dead end)road/drive is blacktopped people come flying by.
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By BB5 on 07/26/2011 2:34 PM
Go on line and price speed bumps they come in all sizes and prices some not expensive at all and easily installed . Now that our nine foot wide (one way,dead end)road/drive is blacktopped people come flying by.

Some emergency responders frown on them because it slows them down and damages their eguipment. I recommend checking with fire departments and ambulance services first. You also might want to check with insurance co to see if it could be a liability issue.
PennyK (Florida)
Posts: 59
Posted:
Good idea
However, the county will not let us put bumps in because it is a county road not private. If we wanted to we could BUT through the county guess how much it cost!! 20,000 5,000 a piece. Plus we have to get 70% approval from all homeowners. This is because it is county road.
PennyK (Florida)
Posts: 59
Posted:
Just an update on the speeding in a residential neighborhood with lots of children. I was reading my old posts and thought to update.

We did have a child and a pet hit! So speeding is an issue. Whether you have kids out or not when a driver speeds they have less reaction time I do not agree that kids play on the street either but we have no where elese for them to play the yards are small and I grew up in NY where we all played outside and it was not an issue. In the past we or I tried the police the sheriff's, the tracking, the speed bumps which was denied by homeoweners approval to get the speeding traffic to calm down.

However, Just last month a Sheriff moved in our neighborhood, and he has children and his family home schools so their home often. Not even a week passed by and he is
furious about the speeding and also is asking the board why we do not have signs or address this or why their is nothing done about this (he does not know how we tried). NOW he is going
to talk to his department to help use get some motorcycle police to bust or ticket our speedy friends. Hallelujiah, he says when a neighborhood complain alot and calls often their ignored
I know that sounds horrible but I think we may be a nuisance to the cops, Long story. But he is very pissed off and I am quite happy about it. Also, the drivers where sited with tickets both times as being at
fault for the child, who is safe, and the pet who died!
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By DonnaS on 07/26/2011 8:18 AM
We signed a temporary contract with Martin Co. Sheriff's Dept to patrol and to issue tickets for violations/ aka speeding.

Interesting idea. How large a community? Cost?

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By NpS on 02/19/2015 6:52 AM
Posted By DonnaS on 07/26/2011 8:18 AM
We signed a temporary contract with Martin Co. Sheriff's Dept to patrol and to issue tickets for violations/ aka speeding.

Interesting idea. How large a community? Cost?

Oops. Just saw that it's an old post.

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,001
Posted:
since it is Florida:

Stand your ground.

or

'shut uppa you face'
JerryD5 (Colorado)
Posts: 218
Posted:
While speeding though our neighborhood is very commom, another big issue we have is people running stop signs. We have a charter school and a Montesorri school within a block of my house. I can stand on the corner and count several dozen cars daily that barely slow down for a stop sign. Our community officer said we could complain and they will post an enforcement team there if they got enough interest. In the meantime, I watched a soccer mom driving her Range Rover pick up her kid at the Montesorri school and pull out of the parking lot. She didn't stop at the first stop sign and preceded down the street in front of my house. She didn't stop at the stop sign then either. When I yelled at her about the stop sign, she just flipped me off and kept going.

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