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CynthiaL1 (Alabama)
Posts: 1
Posted:
I live in a small 37 home sub division. My community has no amenities (pool/tennis/park). Our only common area is our one entrance. Yet my yearly dues are quite high. The largest percent of our dues goes to the management company. I might add that we have had to take legal action one time for a minor infraction and an attorney is part of the management co. Should we be able to govern ourselves with volunteers?
KennyD1 (Texas)
Posts: 51
Posted:
You have to ask yourself this question. Are their enough homes in the division to do such a task? How many homes do you have? You mention a comman area at the entrance is the only thing. Is it a gated community? You need to provide us with alot a details to get a soild answer to your question. The board members and myself ask the samething, and we can to the notice that it is a full time job or maybe a part time, but do you trust people to handle the community money? What if someone in the community volunteers and takes off with the community money, then what?
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Cynthia:

A lot depends on the members of your community. We are a 167 home community and we self manage. We have a common area with a lake but no clubhouse or pools. Could a management company help us out, absolutely they could, however, at this point we don't think the added cost it would take to hire one is justified. But you have to weigh the benefits of having a company with the costs associated with it. Is legal action possible, absolutely, but have good D & O coverage and also have an attorney you can trust and call at a moments notice. We have a good one that we solicit advice from all the time and if we ever got into a pinch we would use him.

I don't think there is a right or wrong answer, it really depends on your volunteer base. Can you get enough people to help without burning out one or two people. Are you willing to learn about HOA's. Wish I could be of more help, but that is my thought process.
hoatalk (California)
Posts: 603
Posted:
Yes, you can self-manage, but realize that managing an association is a profession that people train in, get certified in and spend years learning. There is a reason for that.

Does your board have the time, energy and interest to become experts in these and other areas?
- Selecting/hiring contractors (quality, liability, workman's comp, insurance, licensing checks, etc)
- How to run and document meetings
- How to properly keep Association records to comply with various laws and IRS requirements
- How local, state and federal laws apply to your HOA and it's board
- What insurance do you need?
- Collection practices and staying on the right side of the Fair Debt Collection laws
- How to enforce CCRs and collections on your neighbors without creating problems in the community and possibly for yourself.
- The Board is only shielded from personal liability up to a point. That shield starts to break down when corporate standards aren't followed and laws are ignored. This can easily happen unless all Board members get the proper education.
- Etc......

Will you be able to keep a volunteer base that will do all of the above?

The board is in place to 'direct' and make decisions. The board should get good advise from many professionals along the way. The actual operational work is not the board's job but they can take on this huge burden if they desire.

Here's some articles to read:

http://realtytimes.com/rtcpages/20020123_selfmanage.htm
http://realtytimes.com/rtcpages/20010228_condo.htm


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CathyG (Arizona)
Posts: 10
Posted:
I live in a community of 54 condo units and about 3 1/2 years ago we decided to go self managed. We did hire a secretary and an accountant and I believe that has made all of the difference. Our secretary answers all of the phone calls and keeps the board updated through email with any emergencies.

We have gone from running in the red, to being in the black with the reserve now up to 8 thousand. (Unfortunately not where we need to be, but the property managers were using the reserve to pay for regular maintanence and depleated all the funds.)

We do run into problems and they can get heated, but we just refer to the CC & R's and keep within them. Our secretary works for city agencies in our area and for at least 9 other associations. She is extremely knowledgable in the laws for running HOA's and that really is an asset. When we ran into a tenant that disagreed with our ruling we hired an arbitrator. It was worth the expense.
RonaldW (South Carolina)
Posts: 901
Posted:
hoatalk makes some good arguments for professional management. On the other hand, our association (134 individual homes) has been self managed for eighteen years without serious issues. The three other associations in our development are also self managed as is a rather large one a few miles up the road from us. Another nearby 700 home association is planning on going from self managed to a management company.

We hire a CPA to do our taxes and annual audit, we have an attorney who specializes in HOAs on retainer, and we hire a lawn maintenance company (we solicit bids) to maintain the easements leading to our development. We send out assessment notices (annual) and collect the money. So far, it hasn't been a big problem but there have been a few minor issues. We have our attorney to fall back on for collections.

We receive tax, insurance and utility bills and the bills from our contractors and we write checks as needed to pay them.

The big advantage I see to a management company in our case would be not having to confront neighbors with minor CC&R violations such as parking on lawns and trash out on the wrong day. On the other hand, they would not be around 24 hours a day to observe these violations.

I would be interested in knowing the cost for a management company for our HOA and what services they provide.

The bottom line is - it depends.


Ron
SC
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Posted By RonaldW on 12/30/2006 6:09 AM
I would be interested in knowing the cost for a management company for our HOA and what services they provide.

If your HOA was within a 20 minute drive our cost would be in the range of $750/month. The savings we achieve most clients can offset this and sometimes more. Attached is a sample management agreement.
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RonaldW (South Carolina)
Posts: 901
Posted:
Thanks for the information and the document. We are more than twenty minutes away, more like three days. Are you aware of a national listing of HOA MCs or any in the North Charleston, SC area?


Ron
SC
JrO (California)
Posts: 7
Posted:
Honestly, you have to look at the time constraints of your homeowners. I live in a condo, am on the board, and I also work professionally with smaller homeowner associations. My condo has 300 units, which would be difficult to self-manage. Your association is smaller, but remember that you have to then do the research to find good repair people, look at who should be authorized to do work in units, etc. It is a daunting job. The self-managed HOA's I work with usually have several retired couples in the devleopment with time to deal with that. To me, the problem looks like you just have a bad management company. They are out there, and they are not really regulated. I don't see where you live, but usually there is a good Common Interest Development Association in the area that can give you direction. You need a company that has lots of experience in Homeowner Associations, not a management company that also does HOAs on the side. Get lots of references. I've seen a bad management company really mess up an HOA's books. If you decide to self-manage, you may want to hire a good bookkeeper to keep your accounts and will be responsible to your Board. The bookkeeper should not have signator rights on the account. She/He should enter the accounts, run the reports, write the checks, but all checks must be signed by the designated Board signator. That gives you some checks and balances.

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