VickiC1 (Texas)
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This is a long and tedious question with lot of backstory--
at least I think it requires backstory to get proper insight for an answer...
thanks for everyone's time
My HOA is in TX. It opened in 2003 and was controlled by a single developer who created articles of incorporation as a non-profit, public corporation with bylaws and CCR documents. It was designated a mandatory HOA but because the name of the HOA/corporate entity was not eligible for filing in TX, the filing for incorporation failed. The developer either did not know or care to change the name and refile. Thus, from what we understand from an attorney's opinion, that initial incorporated HOA was not a legal entity--but it operated as such and was never questioned by the city/state it operated in nor any owner who bought lot/home from the developer. The bylaws and CCR documents were executed by the officers of the supposed corporation, filed with the county clerk, and were/are public record. Owners who bought property during this period were given those documents at closing via their title company.
When about 80% of the lots/homes were sold, the developer honored his incorporation document and moved to transfer control from his HOA/corporation to a homeowners' HOA. There was another article of incorporation filed for that non-profit, public entity (with a legal name accepted by the state); there were new bylaws written by 7 people on the first Board of directors which were supposedly submitted and "voted on". But there is significant question as to exactly how the current bylaws were enacted by the membership at the time. These bylaws are terrifically weighted in favor of the Board of Directors and offer very little power to the general membership. No member of the HOA who owned property before the transfer remembers receiving notification of the change or any new copy of the bylaws or even voting at any general meeting to accept them. (But we understand that does not automatically mean those things did not happen.)
The CCR documents appear to be the same ones created by the original developer but were never refiled by the new HOA with the county clerk. The current HOA bylaws were likewise never filed with the county clerk, so they are not available as a matter of public record. Some people who have bought property after the transfer received a copy of bylaws/CCR documents from the developer's incorporation because those are the ones still on file with the county--bylaws to a now non-existant HOA. And some owners were simply emailed bylaws and CCR documents by someone on the HOA board at the time of the sale--not through the title company--but from a personal computer. None of the new/current bylaws we have seen have been signed or dated.
The attorney we spoke with about this conflict said that
1--the current bylaws (even though very unfair) might or might not be legally binding on any member of the HOA who owned property at the time of transition--depending on how the bylaws were adopted but
2- there was definitely a separation between mandatory members (initial ones) of the HOA and any new members who bought land/house AFTER the transition happened. There is a 30 day requirement to file the corporation's bylaws after adoption. If they are not filed with the county clerk, then they are not binding on any new owners since documents were not publicly recorded and thus open for inspection. And
3--there is even a question based on the original corporate filing being rejected by the state as to whether the first legal entity/mandatory HOA was even legal--despite the fact that the original bylaws/CCR documents were filed with the county. IF it was not a legal incorporation initially, then there might not have been any mandatory HOA to be transferred to owners' control--thus there is no mandatory HOA even now-and the CCR restrictions might be moot as well...
I checked the ownership records for my subdivision. There are probably 15 lots or homes that are "new" meaning they changed title AFTER the HOA transition. The developer owns about 18 lots that likely will be sold to be built because our developer is doing no spec homes here. At least 1/3 of homes in our subdivison likely would not be MANDATORY members of the HOA--all scattered around on different streets. Any new home coming on the market and being sold could also move from mandatory to non-mandatory. There are approximately 5 houses for sale in my subdivision currently. And if this is true, there would be fewer and fewer of the mandatory homes within the HOA as time passes and homes change hands...creating more burden on fewer owners to cover the financial burden if nothing else.
I just view this a horrible problem those 7 people created. We have been told by one of the 7 original directors that they got NO legal counsel to accomplish this transfer--they apparently thought they had the power to make all decisions and what they decided was OK. They also did not feel they had money to spend on this--eventhough the developer gave them at least $5K for seed money until they could start collecting dues.
We can't even go to the standing Board to address these issues.
The current board held an apparent invalid election in June for new Board of directors. At the meeting, the members voted to disavow that election result (tainted/inaccurate/incomplete ballots) and have a second election. The Board sent a letter to all HOA members outlining that proceedure and then renigged on it w/o any explanation or even a notice to membership at large. It simply revived the election results that were uunanymously rejected at the meeting. This Board also is made up of 4 of the 7 original directors who created the problem with the mandatory/non-mandatory fissure.
If Board do not come forward with the promised election within the next few days, we are filing an injunction to stop it from acting and force a new election via the courts. Current bylaws require a 66% petition of the entire membership to bring any motion before the Board and compel it to respond--that is likely impossible to achieve. So an injunction is what the attorney said was about the only option to stop the Board's stonewalling.
We are also going to request access to HOA board records to determine how those bylaws were enacted and see for ourselves how well documented the past minutes/meetings/actions of the Board are...we know that there were no minutes taken at the last Board election. Several people asked who was taking minutes since the Secretary was absent--and the chair appointed no one--did not even answer the questions.
Most people we have spoken with want a new board that is more responsive to HOA members in general and who will rewrite bylaws to have balance of power and address issues of transparency and communication that the past Boards have just refused to do. But getting this Board may not be easy even if we can get a new election.
I want to know--
Are we required to notify anyone (the judge/the Board/the membership) of the possibility there could be two classes of voters/members within the subdivision if we go forward with request for injunction?
Should we resolve that issue before a new election just to make sure that any election holds up to scrutiny if challenged?
How long can we wait to question this past election legally with an injunction? Does it have to be within specific time in TX--like within 30 days? If so--it is already too late. The election was held June 2 and promised of new election was mailed to HOA members June 22 with new election supposed to have happened July 20.
It oould take twice as long and be twice as expensive if we open up the two classes of voters/owners. And the HOA Board would not be the one requesting the legal opinion--just a group of home owners--to bear the expense...some might not even be in the mandatory HOA group...
I know those all sound so nit-picky and I am not attorney (obviously) but I know that the law often revolves around small issues for large decisions...
I feel a great deal of animosity toward some of the people on the current Board who were involved in the original transfer of control. Their arrogant attitudes and desire for secrecy and control have likely created problems that this HOA won't be able to solve without spending a lot of time and money--if then. And I doubt that they will ever acknowledge the damage they did. I don't know that having other owners aware of their mistakes and their ineptness is really sufficient punishment.
at least I think it requires backstory to get proper insight for an answer...
thanks for everyone's time
My HOA is in TX. It opened in 2003 and was controlled by a single developer who created articles of incorporation as a non-profit, public corporation with bylaws and CCR documents. It was designated a mandatory HOA but because the name of the HOA/corporate entity was not eligible for filing in TX, the filing for incorporation failed. The developer either did not know or care to change the name and refile. Thus, from what we understand from an attorney's opinion, that initial incorporated HOA was not a legal entity--but it operated as such and was never questioned by the city/state it operated in nor any owner who bought lot/home from the developer. The bylaws and CCR documents were executed by the officers of the supposed corporation, filed with the county clerk, and were/are public record. Owners who bought property during this period were given those documents at closing via their title company.
When about 80% of the lots/homes were sold, the developer honored his incorporation document and moved to transfer control from his HOA/corporation to a homeowners' HOA. There was another article of incorporation filed for that non-profit, public entity (with a legal name accepted by the state); there were new bylaws written by 7 people on the first Board of directors which were supposedly submitted and "voted on". But there is significant question as to exactly how the current bylaws were enacted by the membership at the time. These bylaws are terrifically weighted in favor of the Board of Directors and offer very little power to the general membership. No member of the HOA who owned property before the transfer remembers receiving notification of the change or any new copy of the bylaws or even voting at any general meeting to accept them. (But we understand that does not automatically mean those things did not happen.)
The CCR documents appear to be the same ones created by the original developer but were never refiled by the new HOA with the county clerk. The current HOA bylaws were likewise never filed with the county clerk, so they are not available as a matter of public record. Some people who have bought property after the transfer received a copy of bylaws/CCR documents from the developer's incorporation because those are the ones still on file with the county--bylaws to a now non-existant HOA. And some owners were simply emailed bylaws and CCR documents by someone on the HOA board at the time of the sale--not through the title company--but from a personal computer. None of the new/current bylaws we have seen have been signed or dated.
The attorney we spoke with about this conflict said that
1--the current bylaws (even though very unfair) might or might not be legally binding on any member of the HOA who owned property at the time of transition--depending on how the bylaws were adopted but
2- there was definitely a separation between mandatory members (initial ones) of the HOA and any new members who bought land/house AFTER the transition happened. There is a 30 day requirement to file the corporation's bylaws after adoption. If they are not filed with the county clerk, then they are not binding on any new owners since documents were not publicly recorded and thus open for inspection. And
3--there is even a question based on the original corporate filing being rejected by the state as to whether the first legal entity/mandatory HOA was even legal--despite the fact that the original bylaws/CCR documents were filed with the county. IF it was not a legal incorporation initially, then there might not have been any mandatory HOA to be transferred to owners' control--thus there is no mandatory HOA even now-and the CCR restrictions might be moot as well...
I checked the ownership records for my subdivision. There are probably 15 lots or homes that are "new" meaning they changed title AFTER the HOA transition. The developer owns about 18 lots that likely will be sold to be built because our developer is doing no spec homes here. At least 1/3 of homes in our subdivison likely would not be MANDATORY members of the HOA--all scattered around on different streets. Any new home coming on the market and being sold could also move from mandatory to non-mandatory. There are approximately 5 houses for sale in my subdivision currently. And if this is true, there would be fewer and fewer of the mandatory homes within the HOA as time passes and homes change hands...creating more burden on fewer owners to cover the financial burden if nothing else.
I just view this a horrible problem those 7 people created. We have been told by one of the 7 original directors that they got NO legal counsel to accomplish this transfer--they apparently thought they had the power to make all decisions and what they decided was OK. They also did not feel they had money to spend on this--eventhough the developer gave them at least $5K for seed money until they could start collecting dues.
We can't even go to the standing Board to address these issues.
The current board held an apparent invalid election in June for new Board of directors. At the meeting, the members voted to disavow that election result (tainted/inaccurate/incomplete ballots) and have a second election. The Board sent a letter to all HOA members outlining that proceedure and then renigged on it w/o any explanation or even a notice to membership at large. It simply revived the election results that were uunanymously rejected at the meeting. This Board also is made up of 4 of the 7 original directors who created the problem with the mandatory/non-mandatory fissure.
If Board do not come forward with the promised election within the next few days, we are filing an injunction to stop it from acting and force a new election via the courts. Current bylaws require a 66% petition of the entire membership to bring any motion before the Board and compel it to respond--that is likely impossible to achieve. So an injunction is what the attorney said was about the only option to stop the Board's stonewalling.
We are also going to request access to HOA board records to determine how those bylaws were enacted and see for ourselves how well documented the past minutes/meetings/actions of the Board are...we know that there were no minutes taken at the last Board election. Several people asked who was taking minutes since the Secretary was absent--and the chair appointed no one--did not even answer the questions.
Most people we have spoken with want a new board that is more responsive to HOA members in general and who will rewrite bylaws to have balance of power and address issues of transparency and communication that the past Boards have just refused to do. But getting this Board may not be easy even if we can get a new election.
I want to know--
Are we required to notify anyone (the judge/the Board/the membership) of the possibility there could be two classes of voters/members within the subdivision if we go forward with request for injunction?
Should we resolve that issue before a new election just to make sure that any election holds up to scrutiny if challenged?
How long can we wait to question this past election legally with an injunction? Does it have to be within specific time in TX--like within 30 days? If so--it is already too late. The election was held June 2 and promised of new election was mailed to HOA members June 22 with new election supposed to have happened July 20.
It oould take twice as long and be twice as expensive if we open up the two classes of voters/owners. And the HOA Board would not be the one requesting the legal opinion--just a group of home owners--to bear the expense...some might not even be in the mandatory HOA group...
I know those all sound so nit-picky and I am not attorney (obviously) but I know that the law often revolves around small issues for large decisions...
I feel a great deal of animosity toward some of the people on the current Board who were involved in the original transfer of control. Their arrogant attitudes and desire for secrecy and control have likely created problems that this HOA won't be able to solve without spending a lot of time and money--if then. And I doubt that they will ever acknowledge the damage they did. I don't know that having other owners aware of their mistakes and their ineptness is really sufficient punishment.