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WilliamS1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 113
Posted:
I am 6 months on our HOA BOD. There has been 80% turn over on BOD due to election and resignations. Main Reason : We are working to through a law suit from last year. Very time / mind consuming with lots of conflict. We have about $15 K invested in lawyer fees and are looking at $10 K in settlement agreement. This represents about 40% of current HOA assets.

We contacted the Insurance Company. OH NO!! The old BOD or old MC let the insurance lapse for the key 6 months last year during onset of the legal issue. There was plenty of money just an oops, and oversight. Along with no liability, there is no Directors and Officers or Errors and Omissions coverage for BOD or HOA.

The New Board is questioning who is responsible and what can we do about it???

Did insurance company contact old MC? Yes.
Did MC contact the BOD? Don't know. No paper work transferred to new board or MC.
What about meeting minutes? No minutes.. All executive session.
What about old Management contracts? Nothing to be found.

Do we pin it on the old MC or old BOD?

Bylaws -Insurance -Insurance policies upon the common properties covering items... shall be purchased by the Board and the Associaiton for .... Such policies and endorsements shall be depositied with and held by the Secretary of the Board.

Bylaws -Liability of D/O- No director or Officer of the Association shall be liable to any member for any decision, action, omission in the course of their duties unless such D/O acted in bad faith or in reckless disregard of the rights of any person or of the terms of the Covenants or these Bylaws.

I talked with insurance agent who told me that if the old board let the coverage drop they loose their protection under the Bylaws?

Has anyone ever seen such a mess?
What do you think we should do?

BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
William.

The best advice I can give at this point is to settle while you can for as little as you can. Then start to get your house in order.

That D/O liability clause in your bylaws probably would never stand up in court. The old BOD members could probably be held personally liable. Ever read the statement on a ticket to a professional baseball game that says the ball club is not responsible for injury caused by the hazards of the game? Wanna bet? That statement is there to discourage lawsuits, not prevent them, and it doesn't keep plaintiffs from winning.

It sounds like your old BOD did a few no-no's. Were all BOD meetings "executive sessions?" Executive sessions are generally only allowed under very specific circumstances. Furthermore, you are required to have minutes for EVERY BOD meeting, even executive sessions. The only difference is that the minutes of executive sessions are never read and approved in open session, only in another executive session. The minutes are never made public, but they can be subpoenaed by court, so you do need to have them. Also, generally no votes are taken during executive session.

Our property manager prepares a calendar for the BOD at the beginning of every "board year." The calendar is a checklist of all the things that must be done by the board during the year, and when they need to do it. Such items as "renew D&O insurance," "renew liability insurance." obtain bids for landscaping," "renew trash pickup contract," etc. are identified. The calendar is reviewed at every BOD meeting. Boards should do this themselves if the PM doesn't do it. That way, things don't get forgotten.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Your HOA is a mess, join the club.

First, dont waste any energy blaming people and pointing fingers, it doesn't accomplish anything. You have allot of work to do. You need to deal with the issues.

- Grab a phonebook look for a new MC, ask other HOA's in the area, ask realtors, etc.
- MC needs to go. They sound useless. Ask them for a copy of the MC agreement.
- Talk to the old insurance company, get insurance re-instated. Ask them what they need to make it happen?
- Get up to date with the lawyers. See whats happening, do you need to settle?

Good luck.
WilliamS1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 113
Posted:
I don't feel like we can just let a $25K loss go for our neighborhood. We will be getting some new legal counsel. The old lawyer is tied in with old board and management company and is covering them I believe.

I believe that the lapse in insurance is largly due to the management company. They were hired to manage and all bills and statements went there. They should have some insurance to help cover this loss.

If they can prove that they communicated the lapse with the board and the board failed to act, then I believe the old board acted improperly and should be held liable.

Thoughts??

SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Sounds like you have many more years of legal fees and not enough money to pay for it.

Lets say it goes to court, how do you see it ending?
WilliamS1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 113
Posted:
Hopefully it will not require us to go to court. If the management company has insurance, hopefully they will step in and at least pay some our fees that were not covered by the insurance that we were to have.

Same holds true for the previous board who was responsible to keep us insured. The idiots let the insurance lapse and then get us into a law suit.

We will have to make a real determination whether it will be worth the cost but the homeowners should not have to eat it.

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Who do you think is going to eat the price of all of this? It IS exactly the homeowners who are going to eating this charge. Most likely going to end up in a special assessment to cover the bill. A HOA is ONLY funded by it's members FOR it's members. The Management company is a CONTRACTOR to the HOA hired to manage the money on their behalf. The management company isn't supposed to do anything without the HOA board's approval.

I also highly doubt that the management's insurance company is going to pay out any money. Their insurance covers them NOT your HOA. It protects the management company from being sued by the HOA. Who is suing who and what for? I am unclear in this area of your post.

The lawyer represents the entire HOA and NOT the individual owners of the HOA. So I would imagine the lawyer would be representing the HOA BOD as it is required a lawyer represents a HOA in a court of law. (unless someone is deemed worthy otherwise). The HOA BOD represents the owners as a WHOLE and not the sum of it's parts. So I would question going through the expense of hiring another lawyer.

More detail is needed because it sounds like a loop that is beginning to grow legs and walk off...

Former HOA President
WilliamS1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 113
Posted:
I maybe need to abbreviate my initial post or restate or something because I don't think the story is clear to all you HOA pro's out there.

1. Last year, our BOD picked a fight with a homeowner in our neighborhood. The homeowner countersued the HOA. When the neighborhood and new BOD started to take a look at the merit of the case, we found that there was none. The previous BOD, MC and Lawyer had rallied around the old President to try and scare a homeowner over a personal issue.

2. When it appeared that we were going to have to settle with the homeowner, the new board looked into what our insurance would cover on the case.

3. Come to find out, the old BOD and MC had let the insurance gap for six months last year during the onset and activities of this laws suit. Insurance said that because of the gap they might cover some but certainly not all of the costs.

4. The new board did settle it out, and the insurance company did in fact pay for part of our payout to the homeowner, but that left what we spent on lawyers fees as well as a good portion of what what we paid her.

5. The insurance company has told us that if we would have had insurance they would have paid the entire thing including our legal fees.

6. So in effect, either the act and omission of either the BOD or the MC our HOA is out over $20K in legal fees and settlement payments. Who pays your D/O and E/O if the D/O did not pay it. Either the D and O themselves or the MC.

Does that make sense. I am looking for support and advise if someone has gone through this before. Thanks
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
You're not going to like this, but in my opinion the HOA is just out that money. Here is how I see it:

Actually, IMO, the old BOD is responsible since they started this whole thing. D&O insurance protects not only the association and the board as an entity, but it protects the board members personally in the event they are individually and personally sued as a result of their actions and omissions while serving in an official caopacity for the association.

So, if you now sue the old BOD members personally, the old D&O insurance should cover them, but it won't because they let it lapse. Now, chances are your bylaws indemnifies its directors and officers (it's often required) meaning that the association will either purchase insurance to cover its directors and officers, or will itself provide for their defense and any judgement. See what's happening here? If your bylaws have such an indemnity clause, the association is going to have to pay the cost to defend the old BOD members and any judgement. You not only wind up paying yourself, but you've just incurred additional cost to do it!

In short, you'd be going in circles. It's a catch-22.

I doubt you can make the MC pay. It's not their responsibility to renew the D&O insurance. It's the BOD's.

Have you spoken to a lawyer about this?
WilliamS1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 113
Posted:
I see your point except.. in accordance with the bylaws..." the board looses its indemnity if they are acted in bad faith or reckless disregard of the CCR and Bylaws or the rights of a homeowner". If the management company contacted the board regarding the insurance and they disregarded it... then its the BOD fault... if the management company didn't contact them and it was in their contract to pay bills in a timely manner then it is the managements fault and they should have e and o protection that should step in.

Does that make sense?
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi William:

It is worth checking into and determine if MC can provide information. You have not stated how much was not covered by the insurance. The issue will potentially be that if the MC is at fault and admits they will give over their insurance info. If they would fight in court of law, it possibly may not be worth the cost to association to take such a course of action. What does the HOA attorney think?
WilliamS1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 113
Posted:
Thanks. I agree that it would not likely be worth taking it to court for either of us.

According to the insurance agent, we should have had both our attorney and settlement paid by insurance. Because of the laps we are only getting a portion of the settlement paid for and so the HOA is out between $15 and $20 K.

We are currently between attorneys. The past attorney is also the previous MC's attorney. We should be honing in on this in the next week or two.

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