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DarrylG (Florida)
Posts: 5
Posted:
I was on the DRC (Design Review Committee) a couple of years ago when a new neighbor moved into the neighborhood. She proceeded to install a screened enclosure on the front of her house without prior approval by the DRC. We asked her to follow the established procedure and the form was submitted and consequently denied. She was forced to remove the enclosure. Now she has been elected president. The first thing she did was to dismiss the existing DRC (myself included) and to appoint a new DRC. She then submitted a request to install the screened enclosure and it was approved by her new, hand-picked DRC. Is this even remotely legal? Because I am no longer on the DRC I have not seen the form, so I don't know if she has changed anything in the request or if it has been submitted exactly the same as the time it was denied. I'm afraid I won't know until it is already in place and then it will be hard to dispute.

Thanks in advance for your opinions and advice.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Short answer is yes.

This is why it's important for Associations to have guidelines so the approving authority knows what can and can not be approved. It's also important to have complete records so the approving authority can see why a resubmitted application was previously denied.

Tim
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
I'm sorry, I see I needed to clarify my answer.

Yes, requests can be resubmitted as often as the member wishes.

Tim
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
Darryl,

Can the DRC request be resubmitted? Yes. A homeowner could always resubmit the request with changes to make it more acceptable, or the same request to a new DRC review committee hoping they would see things differently.

Is this legal?

As you described it, I would say yes. If the bylaws give the president the power to appoint committees, which is usually the case, then the president can "fire" the existing DRC members and replace them.

As Tim pointed out, the guidelines for approving or denying such a request should be in writing. To contest the structure you would have to demonstrate that the new DRC didn't adhere to the guidlines, not just interpreted them differently. Of course, the guidelines could have been changed by the new DRC and (likely) approved by the board. As long as the provisions stated in the CCRs (declaration) were not violated, everything sounds proper to me.
PeterD3 (Florida)
Posts: 708
Posted:
Florida law now, and for a few years, (not sure how old orig. request is) requires HOA ARC guidelines be published or available to members ESPECIALLY on items/mods NOT allowed.

If there are no guidelines preventing this mod. or specifying permitted materials, locations, etc. then it cannot be denied regardless of the Committee makeup.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Darryl, you failed to advise on the basis for which the original request was not approved. As far as a President terminating the members of the DRC and appointing new members that would depend on what is stated in your Bylaws. A new DRC request may be submitted to the new DRC members. You can contest its approval if it violates a Covenant restriction.
IsabelG (Florida)
Posts: 1
Posted:
This president that we are talking about was not elected, not appointed, she volunteered when the former president, along with the rest of the board, resigned due to her. A president of an association should be the advocate for the majority of the neighbors wishes and she should be the role model to follow for all the rules and deed restrictions of a community. Conflict happens when neighbors of a community see when they are working hard to get their front yard and houses in good shape, as the deed restrictions command, while others are under her protection and do nothing, including herself. We are in a situation where we feel trapped and impaired of communicating our thoughts. This lady is not working for the community but for her own benefit, to get things approved and what is worst is that, of course, she got the support of our Management Company. Can any of them, be replaced if the majority want to??
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Darryl,

In my Hoa,on every application that is denied, there is also a line that gives the reason for the denial and what could be done, if anything, to make the application compliant to the documents and ARC guidelines. Every owner must be given a chance to correct an issue that has been deemed a reason for denial. These are not jury trials where a verdict is written in stone but a mere application to repair, replace or install something to a home. It might take some people a couple of trys to get it right but they are entitled to try again and sometimes again and again.
DarrylG (Florida)
Posts: 5
Posted:
There was no recourse in this case since it was deemed that aluminum screened structures on the front of a home in our community were not in keeping with the general aesthetic standards of the neighborhood. There was no other alternative that would be acceptable.

I don't think anything will be done differently this time from the first time the structure was denied. I believe the exact same structure that was removed previously will be re-installed. Again, I haven't seen the DRC request so I cannot be positive - but I can be relatively sure of this person's intentions since the course they have taken has been very premeditated and predictable.
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
Isabel,

Whoa! Stop!

In the OP, Darryl said this president was elected. Now you're telling us this president was NOT elected, but volunteered after the entire board resigned because of ONE person? Which is it?

If this person didn't become president in accordance with your bylaws, then this person is NOT the president.

If this person became president by volunteering, what prevented you or Darryl from volunteering? Didn't anybody realize what was happening and question this?

Are you telling us that your property manager condones what appears to be, according to your deacription of events, a hostile takeover? I would think that property manager should have his or her license suspended or revoked.

Anyone care to fill us in on a few more details?
DarrylG (Florida)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TimB4 on 07/19/2011 8:35 PM

Yes, requests can be resubmitted as often as the member wishes.

Tim

But can the request be submitted in the same form without any alteration when it has already been denied? It seems to be when something is denied (or approved) it creates a precedent that should stand, even if the DRC changes. It wouldn't be fair , for example, if one member of the association has a color for their house denied by the DRC then then another person requests the exact same color only to have it approved.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Darryl,

You need to read very carefully, Florida Statutes 720:3035. Read the entire section on ARB's . The Association must have exact standards written for the membership to follow and the ARB to use for approval and denials. IF your CC&Rs do NOT contain something about the screen front doors, AND your ARB guidelines (hopefully you have some) do not specifically address screen door enclosures, this application may have to be approved.

Florida law now requires everything from the ARC standpoint to be spelled out and may not be implied. Screened in front porches are considered a permanent addition to the structure and you might be able to deny her application on that basis but without seeing your CC&Rs and ARC rules, it is just a guess that she would be not in compliance with closing in the porch.

For the non Florida people, if the developement is like so many in Florida, the stucko and concrete barrel tile homes have large porches. These aluminum door and porch enclosures look totally out of place and really ugly. President or no President, she needs to comply.
DarrylG (Florida)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By BruceF1 on 07/20/2011 11:21 AM
Isabel,

In the OP, Darryl said this president was elected. Now you're telling us this president was NOT elected, but volunteered after the entire board resigned because of ONE person? Which is it?


This person was appointed and is recognized to be the President of the HOA. The existing President and Treasurer did resign at a meeting and she volunteered and was appointed to be President.

I was not at that meeting because I was away on vacation at the time - the first and only meeting I have missed.

As for the property manager, I agree with you but I was trying to keep this thread on point and focused on one specific issue. Don't get me going because there are a lot of questions I would like answers to. I could write pages and pages about things going on with the board and the management company that are at the very least unethical and the some of which I wonder if they are even legal. I will try to put them in separate threads to keep things straight.
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
Darryl,

Thanks for the explanation. Now the question is, who appointed this person? Was everything done according to the bylaws?

From what you have said, I'm assuming that the entire board did not resign, only two officers (both board members?) Then, assuming your bylaws are similar to many others, the remaining board members then appointed the person who volunteered to the board and subsequently voted her to be president. Does that sound about right?

Getting back to the DRC approval issue, whether or not a different DRC could legitimately render a different decision on an identical application would likely depend on how much room there is for interpretation. If the guidelines are vague, then I think its entirely possible that a different group of people could interpret them differently. Of course, if the different people are of the same mindset as the president, what would you expect?

Presidents do this all the time with the justices of the Supreme Court. Liberal-minded presidents tend to nominate liberal-minded justices, and conservative-minded presidents tend to nominate conservative-minded justices. How the Supreme Court rules on issues changes over time as a result.
SandyS4 (Florida)
Posts: 2
Posted:
If I recall correctly, when the board members stepped down and she volunteered, the community was not notified. If I had been notified that this was going to happen, I certainly would have been there.
SandyS4 (Florida)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Sorry, let me clarify: The community was not notified that there was going to be a vacancy and there would be open positions.
DarrylG (Florida)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By SandyS4 on 07/20/2011 1:40 PM
Sorry, let me clarify: The community was not notified that there was going to be a vacancy and there would be open positions.

Exactly, there were no elections and the community was never notified that there would be open positions to fill. It all happened suddenly in one meeting, with no advance notice. I was not at the meeting but what was explained to me was that two of the three officers on the board resigned (President and Treasurer). I assume the remaining officer (Secretary) appointed this person who was present and volunteered to be the President as well another person who was present to volunteered to be the Treasurer.
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
Aaaaahhhh - one of the dangers of a 3-person board. The other danger is that there is no difference between a simple majority and a super majority. They both equal two votes out of three. No protection for the minority view.

Well, sadly, I think it's beginning to sound like everything may be on the up-and-up unless you can come up with something in your documents or state law that says otherwise.
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
Darryl,

But, what hasn't been mentioned here is removing this person from office. Of course, you have to do everything in accordance with your documents and state law, but in general terms, this is how it goes:

If there are enough homeowners to support removing this person, the homeowners (there must be some minimum percentage) can call a special meeting of the homeowners for the person of removing the person from the board of directors (not for removing the president) and to hold a special election to fill the vacancy. At the meeting a motion is made to remove this person from the board. If the required number of homeowners vote for removal, the person is no longer a board member. In all probability, I'm guessing that your documents state that the president must be a board member. So, if this person is no longer a board member, they are no longer qualified to be president. Next, you elect a new person to be on the board and the board then elects a new president. The new president appoints a new DRC and you're back in business.

However, if this person already has obtained approval for their DRC request, it's probably too late to do anything about that unless you can contest the approval on the basis that the CCRs have been violated. If that's the case, then any action by the DRC or the board in approving the request is null and void, meaning it's as if it never happened. However, if the approval does not violate any restriction in the CCRs, then a new DRC likely can't reverse that decision. If contested in court, the association would probably lose.

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