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KarenT (Washington)
Posts: 250
Posted:
We have one homeowner who believes that just because she is painting her house the same color she does not need to submit the ARC form indicating she is painting her home. Our BOD believes that no matter what color, if you are painting it must be approved. Our CCR's states the color must be a neutral color. The previous homeowner painted the home without approval and it is darker then what most would consider neutral. Your thoughts opinions? ARC form or not for same color?
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Karen,

Please describe "neutral" to me. Do you know that dark grey is a neutral color? What do your ARC rules say about applying for permission to paint, other than if chosing a different color? Does every change require approval?

Florida has ARC Statutes that say every color, design and material to be allowed must be in written guidelines for all of the owners to have in their posession. This was written for the very reason that you are using in your HOA and that is the ability to interpret what is neutral, earth tones and several other commonly used words to describe a color palette.

I would give a good arguement as to what your Board considers "Neutral" or as we joking call it, "the Stepford wives syndrome" where everything must be matchy, matchy. So my vote is NO to needing ARC approval. The previous owner should have been dealt with.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Karen,

That would depend on the Associations governing documents and the language within. Just because my Association wouldn't require one doesn't mean that your Association wouldn't.

If the language says all "changes" or "alterations" must be approved, painting the home the same color is not a change but a maintenance action. Do homeowners have to submit requests to change a burnt out light bulb or to repaint a railing? What about replacing pickets in fences?

My Associations governing documents specifically says that no exterior structure shall be painted without having the color approved. A reasonable person would expect that the color on the home was already approved and by using the same color of paint, they would be in compliance with our covenants. What does your documents say?

You stated that the previous owner had painted the home an unapproved color. Did the Association inform the current owner that the color on the home was not approved? If not, then the current owner would be of the expectation that the color was fine.

Can you provide the exact wording your Governing documents (including any resolutions) has concerning submitting requests and when they are needed?

Tim
PeterD3 (Florida)
Posts: 708
Posted:
I agree with the sentiment regarding no change to the color is no change.

EXACT duplication is not possible as new paint will be slightly different than weathered paint of the same EXACT color name, formula, etc.
KarenT (Washington)
Posts: 250
Posted:
There are "warm" neutrals and "cool" neutrals and yes I know that dark grey is a neutral color. The reason for neutral color was because one homeowner painted her home neon green, including her garage door WITHOUT approval to paint and the ARC had to notify her that she did not obtain approval and she had to repaint.

Our CCR's specifically state "The color and brand of any paint, stain, oil, or other preservative applied to the exterior of any residence or out building must first be approved by the Architectural Control Committee".
BB5 (Missouri)
Posts: 145
Posted:
The colr and BRAND must be approved are you kidding ? Talk about a dictatorship !!! THE BRAND ???????
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
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Posted By BB5 on 07/12/2011 9:02 AM
The colr and BRAND must be approved are you kidding ? Talk about a dictatorship !!! THE BRAND ???????

Yes. One company's "desert tan" might not be the same color as another company's "desert tan."
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Karen,

The purpose of my statement on what are neutral colors is just that. How does an average homeowner try to decide on a neutral color when no one knows what is a neutral color? I am an artist and I know but my husband who is not an artist has not a clue. I am saying that if neutral is what you want, then you better set some color perimeters for average people without color training.
KarenT (Washington)
Posts: 250
Posted:
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Posted By DonnaS on 07/12/2011 10:25 AM

Karen,

The purpose of my statement on what are neutral colors is just that. How does an average homeowner try to decide on a neutral color when no one knows what is a neutral color? I am an artist and I know but my husband who is not an artist has not a clue. I am saying that if neutral is what you want, then you better set some color perimeters for average people without color training.

I unnderstand where you are coming from so I guess we will have to send out the "color" chart showing the neutral colors. I personally have no problem with someone wanting to paint the same color, but if we don't enforce the requirement to submit the color for approval - we may end up with another neon home! Smile!
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Karen,

My Florida HOA purchased a color stick (the ones with all of their colors) from Sherwin Williams. The ARC removed every color that was not considered as acceptable, leaving probably a couple of hundred colors for homeowners to chose from. Nothing should be exact because not every one might want to use Sherwin Williams paint but with a visual chart to use as the guideline, work will be much easier on the non trained color eye. Cost was $25.00 for the stick.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
What is neutral or earth tone colors?
One definition of neutral color is: without hue, a color such as white, black, or gray that is not in the spectrum.

Another definition is: not strongly or strikingly colored and thus relatively inconspicuous and able to blend easily with other colors.

IOW, neutral color does not define any specific color(s). Similarly, neither does earth tones. I have seen many earth colors encompassing most of the color spectrum.

To remove doubt have the architectural committee provide a color pallet of acceptable colors.
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
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I used to live in a development in Florida. The HOA there solved the problem by hiring a company to repaint the home exteriors every three years using colors that were similar (maybe even the same) as the original.
BB5 (Missouri)
Posts: 145
Posted:
I would like to add just because you use a specific "Brand" does not mean the color will always be the same. Sometimes the mixing is a little different had that happen when I needed more paint went back to same paint store same "Brand" same color there was a noticeable difference paint mixing is not a very precise operation.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

BB5,

That is true about colors mixed from a computer mixing device and may not be identical but the intent is to keep colors withing a realm of what is appropriate and what is not acceptable. Every company has different materials and dyes in their paints and nothing will be identical to a color swatch. But the tones and hues will be what can be called acceptable to the ARC guidelines.
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
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Posted By BB5 on 07/13/2011 2:58 PM
I would like to add just because you use a specific "Brand" does not mean the color will always be the same. Sometimes the mixing is a little different had that happen when I needed more paint went back to same paint store same "Brand" same color there was a noticeable difference paint mixing is not a very precise operation.

That's true. When buying paint it's advisable to buy more than you'll need and to make sure all cans are the same lot number. If you run out of paint and need to return to the store for more, you may not be able to get the same lot number and the color may not match. The same is true when you buy wallpaper, knitting yarn, and many other items where color consistency is important.

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