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BarbaraW4 (Maryland)
Posts: 2
Posted:
I'm a Board Director in charge of a committee to review, re-write and amend our 10 year old by laws. I am holding my first meeting next week. I have had about 14 residents sign up for this committee. How do I break this project into smaller, manageable task? I wanted at least 3 groups and assigned group leaders to each that will report back to me. -- any suggestions?

EW4 (West Virginia)
Posts: 95
Posted:
Barbara-

Here is a link to a thread on this on HOATalk. You are taking on a daunting task. One that our community took on a few years back. I was not living here at the time but the volunteers walked away. Stated "too much work". The process is a marathon not a sprint. It is hard work. I will advise that you work hard to keep as many of the volunteers you have working on this project. Lastly, on communication. Keep an ongoing dialog with the members of the community. They are as much a part of the re-write as those who are actively working on it.

A re-write will be back on the table in our community this year.

http://www.hoatalk.com/Search/ForumSearch/tabid/87/forumid/1/postid/33601/view/topic/Default.aspx

JeanneK3 (Maryland)
Posts: 562
Posted:
Barbara: Be careful. Below is an alert from the Maryland Homeowners'Association website. Jeanne

Predatory By-law Revision Alert!

Posted: 12/12/2009 12:00:00 AM, revised 5/14/2011

If you live in an association that is working to revise or amend HOA/Condo governing documents, here are some important tips to keep in mind as you review and prepare to vote on those changes. Homeowners, or a committee of homeowners, should review the new wording thoroughly, comparing existing wording to new wording line-by-line. This works best by having old text and new text in different fonts or colors while reviewing the documents.

1. Beware of boiler plate documents that completely replace old documents with new, and perhaps inappropriate, by-laws. MHA recommends that you never vote for totally new by-laws unless every line is explained to you.

2. Beware of language that states the homeowners should pay "all attorney fees actually incurred by the Board of Directors." This wording obligates homeowners to pay for the Board's attorney's fees, as well as their own attorney's fees. Such wording sets up a "no-win" situation for homeowners and could lead to bankruptcy and/or foreclosure. California has addressed this issue with Civil Code 1354 which states "in an action to enforce the governing documents, the prevailing party shall be awarded reasonable attorney's fees and costs."

3.Beware of wording that gives the Board the ability to file a lien for unpaid fines and then foreclose on the property. Wording such as: "the Board shall have the power to impose reasonable fines which shall constitute a lien upon the property and shall be collected in the same manner as any other assessment levied” or “in the event fines are not paid, such fines shall be collectible in the same manner as assessments” should be avoided. Recently, California and Florida have passed legislation to prohibit associations from including fines in a lien and fines may not be characterized, nor treated in the governing documents, as an assessment which becomes a lien. Arizona has passed legislation that an association can file a lien for unpaid fines, but the lien cannot be collected until the property changes ownership.

MHA recommends that before voting for any amendments to governing documents, homeowners carefully examine changes. If you do not understand the implications of the new wording, vote no.

SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Thanks for the tips - our association is about to put our proposed CCR revisions to a vote. For the second time (we've been trying since 2006). As for fines, case law in Indiana doesn't allow HOAs to be imposed because they aren't considered government agencies or a governing body like a city council although a lot of HOAs do it anyway)

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
One more thing - regarding language that states homeowners should pay attorney fees incurred by the Board of Directors. I personally think that's appropropriate if the Association had to sue for unpaid assessments or to compel compliance with the CCRs. If people fall behind, they should be contacting the Association to explain the situation and set up a payment plan - if they do nothing until they receive a nastygram from the Attorney, then why shouldn't they reimburse the association for those expenses? Attorneys don't work for free.

As for CCR compliance, I prefer low cost arbitration where both sides would split the costs or the loser pays all expenses - perhaps that would compel everyone to read the CCRs and work out differences in a constructive manner instead of yelling "I'll sue you bastards!"

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JeanneK3 (Maryland)
Posts: 562
Posted:
Sheila:
I agree with you about having the homeowner pay legal fees in the case of unpaid assessments. And if you are in a condo in Maryland, in the case of a law suit, the prevailing party pays gets reimbursed for all legal fees. However, assessing legal fees in enforcing the bylaws has been so misused in so many states, it becomes very dangerous to have as an option.
Jeanne
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
We had a committee reword and rewrite certain parts of our bylaws. It then went to the board for a review. Then we held 3 evening "readings" of the Proposed bylaws and read them aloud, line by line, with those attending. Questions asked and answered. Some small changes. Back to the board for their "blessing."

At the annual meeting,the bylaw amendments were motioned, one by one, for approval by the members. Everything went very smoothly and they passed.

There were at least 10 committee meetings. At the meetings with the homeowners, the bylaws were presented in printed form, with the documents laid out in two colums, the old one on the left, the amended one on the right. It was easy to see the changes.

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
When you file a lawsuit or lien the cost of the legal fees are part of the claim in that paperwork. Make sure your HOA can have the right to lien and foreclose. Lawsuits aren't really something a HOA wants to do as it has no real teeth like a lien/foreclosure does.

When updating I recommend looking at the technology part of the documentation. This is in regards to satellite dishes or solar panels. There is a real focus and tax breaks using the new "Green" energy technology. Many HOA's have it written in their documentation preventing people from using some of this technology. Times have changed and they will change in the next 5 - 10 years after you write this document. So be aware of the future when drafting certain areas of your documentation.

This area is often overlooked but important. There are more smaller satellite dishes and other technology out there that can't be installed because of the existing rules.

Former HOA President
BarbaraW4 (Maryland)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Thanks for all the tips. I guess my question is... for those of you who have attempted this task. How did you go about it? How did you break it down into smaller more manageable tasks. I have already solicited volunteers and we are meeting soon to talk about the task. At that meeting, I would like to be able to give them an idea of what needs to be done and etc... Should I have one group review a certain section and one group review another. Then come together and discuss possible laws that should be changed. What is a good agenda?

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I'd strongly recommend a lawyer familiar with CONTRACTUAL law. You will need one for submitting them to the courthouse for recording. Be sure to have one to review your changes to make sure they are legal. There are packages available at your local office supply store that can help. They are about 20 dollars and come with either just paperwork or CD. It's where the Rental Agreements are. I know they have them for the corporation platforms. Which is part of the 3 documents you will be changing altogether. (CC&R's filed at local level, Articles of corporation at state level, and By-laws at HOA level but can be added with CC&R's at local level but not required)

With our attorney's help we were able to skip the required "special meeting" to get the votes. This allowed us to go door to door or have them sign at our normal meetings. He drafted a letter for members to sign resigning their right for a special meeting to be able to sign the document at their time. So there were 2 documents to sign. 1 resigning their right to a special meeting and 1 allowing the changes to be made.

It took us about 3 years to get the 75% and 90% required votes and new CC&R's incorporated. The cost was about $2500 - $2700 in legal and filing fees. That doesn't cover the cost of printing the new documents. We just made 5 major changes. They included reducing the number of board members from 9 to 5, eliminated single water main, and removing all references to the builder/developer. Removing the references to the Builder/devloper also eliminates the two voting system.

It's good to have a committee for this. Just be prepared it's not going to be easy or fast. Consulting a lawyer is necessary but limit as much contact as possible. Your already on the right track by asking advice...

Former HOA President
SteveB14 (Maryland)
Posts: 10
Posted:
Just how were you able to skip that special meeting? My HOA (of which I'm a Board member) wants to try to get 'teeth' in our c&r's by introducing fines. Eliminating the special meeting would be a great help.

Thanks,
Steve
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Our lawyer drafted a letter/proxy to sign for their right to give up having a special meeting. If the member, is willing to give up their right to attend a special meeting then one doesn't have to attend a special meeting to make a decision on the item that requires the special meeting.. Of course, there's another letter/petition/proxy for that actual vote. So the person has to just sign twice.

You will most likely need a lawyer to properly draft this form/proxy whatever you want to call it. That way it is legal...

Former HOA President

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