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KevinS10 (Colorado)
Posts: 1
Posted:
I've read pleanty of helpful information on this forum and want to thank all the contributors in advance.

Long story short, we had some interesting decisions made by our board and the majority of owners in our community were against these decision. So we started a petition to remove a few board members. Since very few people show up to our meetings, proxy voting would make the most sense. After reading on here many posts and davis sterling website. We gathered more than majority of signatures for the special meeting and collected proxy votes from those who wouldn't attend. The proxy vote form we used was one page and basically stated at the top that thise is for the removal of so and so (included the board members names and titles). After sending it to our board/mgt co., its seems that the board members don't want to leave and are trying to sway people to vote in their favor etc... For the first time ever, our mgt. Co. decided to go with a third party company to do the secret voting. Now they are telling us that our proxy votes are invalid because its not two pages. After digging around a bit more on the davis sterling site, I found this.

http://www.davis-stirling.com/MainIndex/ProxyCumulativeVoting/tabid/2019/Default.aspx#axzz1RLaVPQlc

Although our form did not have the actual vote boxes/spaces for or against, at the top of the proxy it stated that the owner is allowing the authorized person to vote on their behalf and on the removal of the mentioned board members.

My question is do we specifically need to use a 2-page proxy votes? since our form has the same info just presented a bit differently
EbonyJ (Tennessee)
Posts: 62
Posted:
I have never heard of proxy needing to have page requirements, as long as the notice was given out in the time specified by your governing documents. The only business you can do is what is on the proxy. If the membership is unhappy, then what is motivating them to stay
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Hi Kevin,

For some reason your State isn't showing up. Since you referred to Davis-Stirling I'll go on the expectation that the property is in CA.

CA has some unique laws surround proxies like only members may be proxy representatives.

Civil Code ยง1363.03. Election Procedures, Secret Ballots, Inspectors of Election.

along with

Proxy - Noncumulative Voting

discusses this issue.

As I'm reading it, both pages need to be submitted to the Board. The Board verifies that the proxy is valid and returns the second page to the proxy representative and retains the page that indicates the designation.

My suggestion is to follow the procedures exactly even if it requires going back to the individuals to have them sign a different form. In any heated issue within an Association if the rules are not followed to the letter an opportunity is created to have the result challenged.

Tim

BeverlyH3 (Oregon)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Hi TimB4

I have a question related to this topic. We did remove our old board. We used a proxy made by our attorney, it's one page. We elected new board members for President, Secretary, Treasurer positions. Now comes the question? The newly elected president gave the secretary a written resignation. Then the next day that person was thinking they didn't want to resign. So secretively they are going to have an attorney draw up a paper to say that they reneged on their written resignation and is still the president.
I can't find anywhere in our Bylaws stating this. When they give a written resignation it's done and recorded the day they give it. They even went and canceled a Board Meeting and said they were the president, when they were resigned, and had the treasurer not show up at the meeting to stop any meeting at all, thinking that if we have a board meeting and state that the president has given their written resignation, then it's in stone and can't be changed but I don't think that's right but I don't know all the Oregon Homeowners Association Laws about this if it's outside our Bylaws.
Can you help me in this area? Homeowners are depending on me and it's a circus that was never suppose to happen.
Thanks me
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
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Posted By BeverlyH3 on 07/06/2011 10:49 PM

I have a question related to this topic. We did remove our old board. We used a proxy made by our attorney, it's one page.

Different States have different laws. The specifics of proxies are typically under the corporate laws of the State.

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Posted By BeverlyH3 on 07/06/2011 10:49 PM

Now comes the question? The newly elected president gave the secretary a written resignation. Then the next day that person was thinking they didn't want to resign. So secretively they are going to have an attorney draw up a paper to say that they reneged on their written resignation and is still the president.

In general, if the Board (not just the secretary) accepted the resignation then the decision is up to the Board if they want the person to retract it. If the individual wanted to retract the note prior to the Board accepting it at a Board meeting, then I would expect that this would be fine (since we all get frustrated enough to want to quit every now and then).

Did the individual resign from the office of President or from the Board?

Depending on how your Association deals with officers, the way the note is written might not mean what you think it means:

If the membership elects the Directors and the Directors appoint the Officers, then saying I resign from being your President doesn't remove them as a Director and they should still have a seat on the Board. If the note said I resign from the Board, then it's possible that the individual could still be considered the President (unless there is a requirement that the President be a member of the Board). Irregardless of how the note was written, if the Board appoints officers the Board may remove individuals from the office.

If the membership elects the Officers (I elect a to be president and b to be treasurer), then a note saying I resign as President would, I believe, also remove them from the Board.

Expecting that your Association has the Board appoint the officers, I would make a motion that the individual be removed as President and then appoint the VP to the office of President. I would suspect that when this is done, the individual will probably resign again.

I did not check your State laws, I'm just going on my personal experience and, hopefully, some common sense.
BeverlyH3 (Oregon)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Our Directors are officers they are one in the same. The three board members elected decide among themselves who will be which position: President, Secretary, and Treasurer. We are trying to amend our Bylaws to expand the Board to 5-7 members and have President, Vice-President, Secretary, Treasurer, and 3 Directors which are board members.

The resignation was handed to me the secretary.

In Davis-Sterling they said when a resignation is given it is done. Once a resignation has taken effect, it cannot be withdrawn without the approval of the board. Does Oregon law say differently?

The person gave the HOA a letter of resignation and effective immediately to not continue as a Board member. They are available and willing to be on a Committee or help out where needed. Know a lot about the association, learned a lot from the experience, care about Association and still want to help if needed.
Have signed signature of person, typed name of person, Typed title President.

During the time of this person resignation, do I the secretary temporarily do the duties of both president/secretary until we appoint a person to the presidency vacancy?

Do I the secretary and the treasurer have to make a motion to remove the individual as President at a board meeting or can it be at a homeowners meeting? Also what do I do if the Treasurer won't come to board meeting or to homeowner meetings and is opposing the appointment of an intern President until the annual meeting? It's just the two of us on the board, what can I the secretary do to make this stop and get this board acting like they are interested in the homeowners and not playing these stupid games.

We overturned the old board members - President, Vice-President, Treasurer and a director.
New board members were voted by homeowners- President, Secretary, and Treasurer.
This individual that resigned as President on the 27th of June, called and canceled a board meeting saying they were the President and told the Treasurer not to show up at the meeting. How do I the Secretary get around this?

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
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Posted By BeverlyH3 on 07/07/2011 12:10 AM

Our Directors are officers they are one in the same. The three board members elected decide among themselves who will be which position: President, Secretary, and Treasurer. We are trying to amend our Bylaws to expand the Board to 5-7 members and have President, Vice-President, Secretary, Treasurer, and 3 Directors which are board members.

Based on this information, the Board appoints the Officers. Therefore, a majority vote of the Board can remove an officer at any time. Your governing documents may or may not require that certain officers also be a member of the Board. Any office that is not required to be filled by a member of the board (Director) may have anyone appointed to it. Officers do not have a vote at Board meetings. Only Directors cast a vote at the board meeting.

To put it another way - The Directors make the decision and the officers implement the decision that was made.

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Posted By BeverlyH3 on 07/07/2011 12:10 AM

In Davis-Sterling they said when a resignation is given it is done. Once a resignation has taken effect, it cannot be withdrawn without the approval of the board. Does Oregon law say differently?

Here is a link to Community Associations Networks Oregon Resources. If you scroll down the page you will see links to Oregon Laws on the left.

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Posted By BeverlyH3 on 07/07/2011 12:10 AM

Do I the secretary and the treasurer have to make a motion to remove the individual as President at a board meeting or can it be at a homeowners meeting?

No. However, a motion should have been made to accept the resignation or, at least, something mentioned within the minutes of the following board meeting that Mr abc tendered his resignation effective mm/dd/yyyy so there is a record of it.

Within the next Association newsletter the Board should also mention the fact that they resigned and what the board intends to do with the empty seat (appoint someone, hold a special election or leave it vacant).

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Posted By BeverlyH3 on 07/07/2011 12:10 AM

Also what do I do if the Treasurer won't come to board meeting or to homeowner meetings and is opposing the appointment of an intern President until the annual meeting?

You can't force anyone to attend meetings. You need a quorum at a board meeting to conduct business. If you have a quorum, a majority of the votes cast in that meeting would be all that is needed unless your governing documents say otherwise.

Therefore, if you and the secretary make up a quorum, then a meeting can be held and business conducted.

How many officers are you required to have?

Typically a quorum for Board meetings is a simple majority of the number of seats required to be filled or are filled.

Example:

Documents say Board shall have a minimum of 5 and a maximum of 7 Directors

7 seats filled - Quorum = 4
6 seats filled - Quorum = 4
5 seats filled - Quorum = 3
Since the minimum number of Directors is 5, even if you only have 2 seats filled you need 3 for a quorum.

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Posted By BeverlyH3 on 07/07/2011 12:10 AM

It's just the two of us on the board, what can I the secretary do to make this stop and get this board acting like they are interested in the homeowners and not playing these stupid games.

Find someone who is willing to serve on the Board. At the next Board meeting where there is a quorum, make the motion that this individual fill the empty seat. Majority vote wins. If that person is not appointed, find another one.

Is there a requirement that officers be Directors? If not, find someone willing to be Treasurer and at the next meeting of the Board where a quorum is present make the motion to remove the current treasurer and appoint abc in their place. Majority vote wins.

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Posted By BeverlyH3 on 07/07/2011 12:10 AM

We overturned the old board members - President, Vice-President, Treasurer and a director.
New board members were voted by homeowners- President, Secretary, and Treasurer.
This individual that resigned as President on the 27th of June, called and canceled a board meeting saying they were the President and told the Treasurer not to show up at the meeting. How do I the Secretary get around this?

Based on your initial sentence, I'm of the expectation that the new board members were appointed to the officer positions.

Once the resignation was accepted the Board should have informed meeting facilities, management companies, the State Corporation Commission, the attorney and the Bank of the resignation. As I said earlier, they should inform the membership as soon as practical in the newsletter or via flier.

SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Bev - please start a new thread when changing the subject of the first post.

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