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CharlesH14 (Texas)
Posts: 10
Posted:
I live in a small HOA lakeside community in North Texas. About three months ago me and two others got a signed petition requesting the HOA to change the declaration that prevents homeowners from allowing them to leave a boat in their driveway. Since we had 85% of the homeowners checking yes to the change we submitted this the HOA Board. Two months later the board sent out a list to all homeowners asking them to vote yes or no to the following changes. The changes included vinyl fencing, solar panels, boats parked in driveways and numerous other changes. You had to vote yes or no to all, you could not vote on individual items. Since only 40% of the homeowners turned in the vote all changes were denied. Me and two others filed the petition with the county court house. Now we are wondering if we have a legal chance in changing the boat declarations.

DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Charles,

Try it again. The Board apparently in an effort to save a few bucks on the amendment filing fee, gave the homeowners a bundled package of amendments. They completely did that wrong. They need to have each amendment in a seperate statement. You need to check with your Texas HOA laws to see if it addresses amendment changes. Perhaps your Charter or Incorporation documents will address this. Because each of the items are not related, they certainly cannot be put into 1 amendment.
CharlesH14 (Texas)
Posts: 10
Posted:
We asked the board to send a a single vote. They replied with, We dont have enough time to prepare a single vote. I replied with, your leaving us with only one option and thats the leagl process. The HOA replied with.

We look forward to it. Just keep the following in mind:

1. A petition is not a sufficient method to change the Declarations. Only a Two-Thirds Members Vote can change the Declarations.

2. The Texas Property Code allows the Board to decide whether to group all changes into one vote or to break them up into individual items.

Thank you.
SPSHOA Board of Directors
CharlesH14 (Texas)
Posts: 10
Posted:
We asked the board to send a a single vote. They replied with, We dont have enough time to prepare a single vote. I replied with, your leaving us with only one option and thats the leagl process. The HOA replied with.

We look forward to it. Just keep the following in mind:

1. A petition is not a sufficient method to change the Declarations. Only a Two-Thirds Members Vote can change the Declarations.

2. The Texas Property Code allows the Board to decide whether to group all changes into one vote or to break them up into individual items.

Thank you.
SPSHOA Board of Directors
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Charles,

Any kind of a lawyer would argue against a bundle on the changes that you listed.

Solar panels now follow Federal Laws, should have been seperate issue to comply with the laws.

Boats--addressed in your CC&Rs, a seperate issue.

Fences, probably addressed in CC&Rs but it is an architectural issue and probably should be seperate.

Just because the Texas Property Code allows the Board to decide how to propose these, what do your Amendment Changes say in your own documents?
JeanneK3 (Maryland)
Posts: 562
Posted:
Donna:
Maryland law seems to allow a total restating of bylaws to go for a vote. It is so hard to deal with some people just give up and sign it. Reading the draft carefully reveals all sorts of dangerous material in it. I recommend that communities never sign "restated" amended declarations or bylaws unless every sentence is carefully explained.
Jeanne
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Jeannie,

That is true. Many States allow for a rewrite vote to be a single vote for the entire rewrite. In this case tho, as someone who likes to sort out issues, I think that there were controversial items under the sigle vote. Not the way to go as the o.p. had petitioned for a specific item to be voted on.
JeanI (Louisiana)
Posts: 112
Posted:
Check your internal legal documents, Articles of Incorporation, Bylaws and Covenants regarding amending the declarations. then check your state law. JeanI
CharlesH14 (Texas)
Posts: 10
Posted:
I have read all of the bylaws and declarations in regards to changing declarations and covenants. It says that we need 2/3 member vote to make a change. Again, we have a signed petition from 80% of all the homeowners saying that they want to change the boat bylaws. The HOA board included this proposed change along with 10 other changes. Each homeowner had to vote yes or no to all, you could not vote on each item. After the vote failed we went to the county to amend the covenants. Now we have a demand letter from an attorney that’s representing the HOA board telling us we violated the 2/3 vote and unlawfully changed the declaration. We have 10 days to respond. One of the proposed changes that we voted on was solar panels. I know that a HOA cannot restrict a homeowner from using solar panels. The ironic part is one of the HOA board members installed solar panels after the vote failed to pass. How should we move forward? We contacted a attorney and waiting for his reply. Part of me thinks a judge might ask the HOA board to hold a standalone vote. Another part of me thinks a judge will say we violated the 2/3 vote bylaw. Both scenarios will cost a lot of money.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Charles,

As your Board properly pointed out, a petition is not a vote. A petition is simply a request to ask the board to do something. Typically, the request is to hold a special meeting for the purpose of xyz. At the special meeting, the vote would be taken.

Typically, only the Board can file a change in the covenants with the court. If you did actually file an amendment to the covenants and were not authorized to do so by the Board I would agree that you failed to follow proper procedure. The Board correctly hired the attorney to protect the Association.

Based on your posting, I suspect that you were right in your intentions but jumped the gun and improperly (and perhaps illegally) changed your declaration.

***** I strongly recommend the signers of that document seek the advice of an attorney who is knowledgeable in property law today!. The clock is ticking for your response. Additionally, there may be issues of misrepresentation to the court that might need to be dealt with. ******

The Boards rebuttal to your actions will be that the Association did properly call for a vote and the proposal failed.

The proper procedure that should have been followed would be:

1. solicit signatures to a petition to call a special meeting for the sole purpose of voting on the following amendment to the Declaration.
2. Submit a the signatures to the board
3. Special meeting is held FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE of that one amendment
4. Vote is held at special meeting
5. Votes counted and results announced
6. Declaration amendment filed at courthouse if proposal passed.

I suspect that the initial wording on your petition allowed the board to conduct the meeting the way it did.

Tim
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TimB4 on 08/08/2011 10:19 AM

***** I strongly recommend the signers of that document seek the advice of an attorney who is knowledgeable in property law today!. The clock is ticking for your response. Additionally, there may be issues of misrepresentation to the court that might need to be dealt with. ******

To Clarify - the document I speak of is the coversheet submitted to the court that swore the vote was taken and changed.

PetunkaM (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
Charles,

mistakes do happen and this is, in my view, not a big deal. I would just file an amendment stating the certain amendment filed on such a date is null and void because it was determined that the process to approve this amendment did not fully comply with the provisions required by the Declaration of covenants. And that is all.
I would also tell the attorney to take a deep breath and explain that you did not understand a signed petition was not the actual vote even though the wording was the same and you have obtained an approval by 80% members.

β€˜ The Texas Property Code allows the Board to decide whether to group all changes into one vote or to break them up into individual items’ . It could be interesting to read what the code says exactly.
CharlesH14 (Texas)
Posts: 10
Posted:
Thanks for the replies. I acted on this when an attorney told me I could file the change with the court house using a signed petition. When I showed him the demand letter He told me that he needs advice too. That’s when I became concerned. I realized that I was getting advice from a fee attorney that deals with home sales. Live and learn! There are 3 other homeowners involved with the filing and we are going to meet tonight.

CharlesH14 (Texas)
Posts: 10
Posted:
Authentication of Signatures

I, Charles Handsby, hereby certify that I solicited and received homeowners’ signatures that reside in Stewart Peninsula Southshore Homeowners Association, Inc. These signatures approve the extension of time that allows Boats, Jet Skis, Trailers and RV’s to be parked in the driveway as stated in the Non-Compliance Schedule and Enforcement Penalty documentation. The original signatures in the attached documents reside with the Board of Directors for Stewart Peninsula Southshore Homeowners Association, Inc., as recorded in Document #94-R0085840, Real Property Records, Denton County, Texas.

────────────────
Charles Handsby

ACKNOWLEDGMENT

Below is what I submitted to the county clerk

STATE OF TEXAS Β§
Β§
COUNTY OF ____________ Β§

Before me ______________________ (notary printed name) on this day personally appeared Charles Handsby, known to me or proved to me through ________________ (State and DL or ID#) to be the person whose name is subscribed to the foregoing instrument and acknowledged to me that she executed the same for the purposes and consideration therein expressed and in the capacity therein stated.

Given under my hand and seal of office on this _____ day of __________, 2011.

───────────────────────────
Notary Public, State of Texas

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By CharlesH14 on 08/08/2011 11:43 AM

These signatures approve the extension of time . . .

This statement will be the question for the court.

If you care to share,

What was the exact language on the petition?
Was the language the same on each page of the petition?
What is the exact language for amending the Declaration (I'm looking for a reference to a meeting or votes cast at a meeting)?

Petunka had an excellent suggestion if you find it was improper.

Depending on the advice of your lawyer, you might want to compromise with the board saying you would correct the filing if they would hold a vote for the single amendment.

Tim

PetunkaM (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
Well, this is not an amendment, as I know it? This is just a certification that you have obtained some signatures to approve an extension of time to park… I think it could be meaningless because it does not address the original restriction in the covenants and how you are easing this restriction. From what to what? The amendment, should say something like this. Note, this is just a hypothetical example for changing the restriction from 48 hours to 96 hours:

The current Paragraph 4. of ARTICLE X., Use of Property in the Declaration of Covenants is deleted and the following amended Paragraph 5 is substituted:
Homeowners will be allowed to park Boats, Jet Skis, Trailers and RV’s within the permitted confines of the Southshore Homeowners Association for a period not to exceed 96 hours in any 30 consecutive day period . The Association shall have the right to authorize the towing away any vehicles in violation of this rule with the costs to be borne by the owner or the violator. ……
........
The foregoing amendment to the declaration of Covenants and the Association was adopted according to the provisions of the Declaration pursuant to an affirmative vote of 2/3 members of the Association.

So, yes, write something to to make your document null and void.

PS: Tim, I saw six pet amendments filed by one HOA and all six were recorded incorrectly including the last one.
CharlesH14 (Texas)
Posts: 10
Posted:
What was the exact language on the petition?

our current HOA bylaws allow us to park our boats from noon friday until noon monday. We want to expand the by law and allow boats in the drivewat from memorial day to labor day weekend. The boats must be in operational order, state registration and must not be in a state of repair. Please sign below if you agree to the chage.

Was the language the same on each page of the petition?

8.23 Boats and Personal Watercraft. Boats and personal watercrafts (PWCs) on
trailers may be stored on driveways in Public View from one (1) week before
Memorial Day Weekend to one (1) week after Labor Day Weekend. Those boats and PWCs
on trailers must (a) be in complete operational order, in one complete piece, and
not in a state of disrepair while parked in the driveway, (b) not protrude into the
sidewalk, (c) not be parked even partially on the grass, (d) be covered with a
cover whose primary application is designed for watercraft, (e) not exceed a height
of fifteen (15) feet from ground level, (f) not threaten
public safety and (g) not violate any law. Anyone having a boat on a trailer in
their driveway in Public View before or after the dates specified will be in
violation of this covenant. Boats and PWCs not stored in Public View must still
comply with items (a) thru (g) of this covenant.
CharlesH14 (Texas)
Posts: 10
Posted:
To clarify my reply. The first paragraph is what the signed petition said. The second paragraph is what the HOA board sent to homeowners to vote on. This paragraph was grouped with 9 other changes
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Thanks for sharing that Charles.

I am not an attorney. I do not work within the legal profession. I am offering advice based on the information contained within your postings, research, personal experiences and, hopefully, some common sense.

If this is the correct link to your Declaration of Covenants and Restrictions

Based on the above link (and the expectation that it is your Associations governing document I am linking to), I would strongly recommend that you nullify your filing of the amendment for the following reasons:

1) Requirement to amend document not met.

Section 11.3 clearly specifies that the document can only be changed by 2/3 of member vote (unless you are still under declarant control).

Article 1 of the document clearly states that the term "two/thirds member vote" is defined as votes cast at a meeting unless a written consent in lieu of meeting is signed.

Additionally, an argument could also be made that unless you can certify that you took the petition to each and every member so they could weigh in on the matter - notification requirements were not met (as some members (especially non-resident members)did not have an opportunity to weigh in on the petition).

2) Language in Petition caused a conflict within the document.

Article VIII section 8.6 clearly specifies that no boats or trailers are to be parked on a lot unless screened from view.

By just adding section 8.23 (as proposed in your petition) there is a conflict within the document which can cause a member to file legal action for a ruling.

A better worded amendment might have been:

Article VIII is hereby amended by removing the words "boat, boat trailer" from section 8.3, sentence one and adding section 8.23: .......

Of course, wording an amendment like I offered would also cause conflict as it could be interpreted that boats and boat trailers could only be stored off site between labor day and Memorial day (Sept-May).

As you can see, it isn't easy to try and make changes when you are amending documents. This is why the process typically takes a long time.

3) The Board did hold a meeting about the amendment and the proposal failed to pass.

Perhaps you attorney failed to review the governing documents prior to offering the advice. Perhaps there is something I am missing (as I didn't go into the documents or legal statutes in depth).

Hope this helps,

Tim

Note: If the documents I was referring to are not your Associations, most of this advice is mute.

Again, I am not an attorney. I do not work within the legal profession.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Oops.

Charles, you posted your clarification while I was doing research.

I still stand by my advice (expecting that I linked to the correct document). This is because, in addition to what I posted earlier, I believe that the wording in the petition expressed a desire vs. an actual proposed amendment that people could consider.

Tim
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Charles,

Again, expecting that I'm looking at the correct documents, one could also argue that the Board doesn't have the authority to allow boats to be parked in the driveway over the weekend as this is in conflict with section 8.6 of the CC&Rs. Typically, when there is a conflict between the Declaration (CC&Rs) and any other Association document, the Declaration has the controlling authority.

Sorry to have to point that out.

Tim
CharlesH14 (Texas)
Posts: 10
Posted:
your link is correct. SPSHOA was under a mgm company 5 years ago then we elected to have some of the homeowners take over. As we read more of the documents we also learned that there is not a bylaw saying we can park from friday noon to monday noon. When we leave our boats out the HOA sends a letter saying this is the bylaw, friday through monday. In short we have people on the board telling homeowners what the bylaws are but the covenants say something different. its a mess.
CharlesH14 (Texas)
Posts: 10
Posted:
We had a meeting last night to determine that we have to resend the petition that we filed. The two areas that we made mistakes on. 1. We did not have the right to file a petition, only board member can do this. 2. The boat bylaw is in the fee schedule section. The board should of made it part of the declaration. In other words we were asking to change a bylaw that doesn’t exist. Now the next step is to learn how to resend our petition.

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