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KarenT (Washington)
Posts: 250
Posted:
Our President cannot get the membership in our HOA to read or understand the budget. We have inundated them with information, the MC has shown and discussed with them the P&L, A/R, Balance sheet, etc... and they still don't get it.

We have put it into several formats which were simple, including one like a checkbook, showing what expenses are projected and what income is projected and the balances. All they do is complain about how much the dues are and the BOD has even asked several to do the budget themselves (if they thought they could do a better job) and they volunteer but never follow thru.

Dues have increased from $75.00 to $125.00 and we are trying to get another increase to pay for our private road maintenance per our reserve study.

Comments have been:

"Well, if I had know my dues where going to increase I would have never purchased in the subdivision".

"I think dues should be around $100.00, that's fair"

"If you increase dues, I'll just quit paying"

"Our dues are more than other subdivisons"

The BOD has cut and cut and cut expenses, but we have 3 homeowners who are not paying and 2 in foreclosure. That means the remaining 9 homeowners are paying for 12.

Yes, we have attempted collection, collected on one, filed liens on all 3 etc....

Bottom line is they just don't want dues to increase period, well neither does the BOD, we all pay the same dues but it is what it is.

Does anyone have an article that we could send out to our members about the "value of maintaining the subdivision?"

Thanks!

FredS7 (Arizona)
Posts: 927
Posted:
If some of the owners are in foreclosure- or close to it- then they are not going to be concerned about the future value of the community.

The board may need to operate in survival mode until the economy improves and/ or some present owners get replaced by new ones.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Karen,

Those comments you posted are similar to the ones I heard when we did our reserve study and brought to the membership the need to increase assessments. You will always have those comments and will never please everyone. With larger Associations, this is typically not as big of an issue to overcome. However, with only 12 lots in the Association you might not be able to overcome it with information.

You might want to get permission from the Board to approach those who are making the comments on a one to one basis. Explain the issue the best you can and take the time to answer their questions. You won't convince everyone but you might be able to sway enough members to have the issue addressed.

I was one of those members who fought against an increase proposed by a previous board. When I was elected to the Board, I then had to turn around and ask for the increase. Since I fought so hard against the earlier one I felt I needed to explain my position. Basically, I explained what was done to cut expenses and how this just wasn't enough. I've attached that article. I'm not sure if it will do you any good but perhaps it can give you ideas on how to address it with your neighbors.

Tim

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SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
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Bottom line is they just don't want dues to increase period, well neither does the BOD, we all pay the same dues but it is what it is.


Well if you cant raise dues, its time to make cuts. What services do you provide?
KarenT (Washington)
Posts: 250
Posted:
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Posted By SteveM9 on 06/21/2011 5:02 PM
Bottom line is they just don't want dues to increase period, well neither does the BOD, we all pay the same dues but it is what it is.


Well if you cant raise dues, its time to make cuts. What services do you provide?

Steve,

Costs have been cut to the bare bones - the only other cost that could be cut is the Mgmt Co. but no one wants to volunteer (as usual) to take over collection of the dues, paying bills, obtaining bids, etc.... they even wanted to cut costs for spring cleanup by doing the work themselves and then only 4 bothered.

SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
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Costs have been cut to the bare bones.......collection of the dues, paying bills, obtaining bids, etc


Well its obviously not bare bones because you are still obtaining bids on things. Maybe its time to cut landscaping. Spring cleanup, etc. It maybe time to cut things you never thought about cutting...... until now.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Karen,

You might want to see what savings you can gain going from twice a week garbage pick-up to once a week. This could gain savings and would also impact the membership - perhaps enough for them to approve the increase.

Tim
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
I've seen various articles here and there - you might want to google HOA fee increases and see what comes up. The Community Association Institute (CAI) may also have some information, although you need to be be a member.

You could also look around this message board - this subject has come up over and over and back again, and some people have come up with some great responses to some of these questions. Maybe you can collect the most intriguing and cut and paste them into some sort of article.

For example, here's one person's response

Our dues are more than other subdivisions
- we have to make decisions on what's necessary for this subdivision because we live HERE, not there. It may be one subdivision has fewer services than we do, while another is only a year old and so maintenance costs are lower than our community, which is X years old.

If you increase dues, I'll just quit paying
if you quit paying, you're be referred to the association attorney, liens and lawsuits will be filed against you, which will hit your credit report and affect your ability to get more credit and favorable terms. And if you still refuse to pay, the association may foreclose.

If I knew my fees would increase, I never would have brought into the subdivision
Your groceries, gasoline (especially this year!), health care (ditto) and other household expenses have increased - and so have the fees our vendors charge to cut the grass, insure the common areas, etc. Why do you think we can run an association in 2011 on 2005 fees?

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi Karen:

Potentially it is not the fact they do not understand the budget, but that they are ignoring the budget issues facing the association.

An idea is use costs as an example utilizing the number of units … discuss with the homeowners the fact that if you have an emergency which costs $12,000 then the cost divided would be $1,000 per homeowner. Then double the units and state … if we had 24 units it would be $500 per homeowner, if we had 48 units the cost would be $250, etc.

I found the members then better understand that when you have fewer units the cost per unit potentially can be more expensive than other HOA’s with more units. This helps get around the statements regarding other HOA’s pay less … response is, well the other HOA has 3 times more homes to spread out the costs between each owner.

SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
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Our dues are more than other subdivisions


Many people are falling on hard times. Its only going to get worse. If the majority of people in your subdivision are having issues then it might be time to rethink what services you offer.

Narrow it down to two categories; required, not required. Obviously maintaining insurance would be required. Everything else is fair game.

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