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DesmondD (Florida)
Posts: 11
Posted:
Hi
My subdivision is in Florida and the Board of the HOA seems to want to put a lien on delinquent assessments at every opportunity involving lawyers each time
The fees for lawyers work is skyrocketing
Can the Board not serve a lien to the clerk of court without involving a lawyer?
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Desmond, I think the answer is yes - if the proper procedures are followed. We file notice of lien and release of lien after proper notification to the homeowner.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Desmond,

It depends on the rules of the court. Some proceedings do not require legal representation and some do. You should ask the court clerk for the procedure to follow if you wanted to do it yourself.

For my Association, any legal costs associated with collecting assessments are paid for by the member and not the Association. Granted, the initial payment must be paid by the Association but that should be paid back at some point.

Tim
CarolF (Florida)
Posts: 435
Posted:
Just thought I'd throw into the mix of opinions what some Florida attorneys wrote about this....
I do know that there was a case where a FL CAM who filed liens was accused by the Bar Association of "practicing law without a license."

Board Preparing Liens Legal?
Question
Liens filed by our homeowners association are not filed by a Florida
attorney; they are filed by the association’s secretary or treasurer or
the president, and, sometimes the vice president. Is this action legal?
M.E., Tampa

Answer from Becker & Poliakoff
It is a bad decision by the board. They can be held accountable for
Unauthorized Practice of Law (UPL). That may not make the lien
invalid but if the matter had to go before a judge to enforce, the lien
could be tossed out because it was improperly drafted. Even worse, you
could file a false cloud on the title of the property. What your board does
not understand is that any legal expenses will be added to the lien for
the delinquent owner to pay. That means that the cost to the association
for an attorney is negligible as it is paid by the delinquent owner.
So why would the board try to save a delinquent owner expenses and
put the association in a very weak position by not using legal help?
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Here is a PowerPoint presentation I found regarding liens in FL for both HOA and Condos:

http://www.mycai.org/picture/florida_community_association_liens___foreclosures.ppt

Maybe it can shed some light on best practices to follow.

JeanneK3 (Maryland)
Posts: 562
Posted:
It doesn't surprise me that lawyers say you should use a lawyer. Jeanne
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Desmond,

When I had to take my mothers estate through probate, I contacted the courthouse to see about the procedures required and what paperwork I needed. They informed me that I could not do the paperwork myself but that I did not need a lawyer either. I was told I could use a certified document preparer, basically a paralegal who could not provide legal advise but could write up the documents based on the information provided and file the documents for me in court. The court even provided me a list of preparers I could contact.

You might want to see if Florida has such a provision for filing liens.

Tim
HoaC (Florida)
Posts: 95
Posted:
In the state of Florida, a HOA can not file a lien themselves. It has to be filed by their representing attorney.
We use an automated software that mails all the billing, second notices, demand for past due assessments automatically And then if the owner has not paid, the system sends the attorney the lien form papers to be filed, all ready and automatically filled out, to his office, all he has to do is "rubber stamp his signature and file them at the local court house. He charges us $50 per lien, we assess the property a $150 lien process assessment.
Then when we recieve an estoppel letter, our system generates one on the property and the form is filled out and sent. Again, that is a $150 charge. That is how we handle these issues. The software does not discriminate when it assesses the fees. Interest bearing accounts are automatically assessed the interest. Our collections have increased dramatically!
So, in short, in Florida, an attorney must file the claim. Make sure your byLaws read that the lien and assessments are on the property. Some require the owner to be liened and not the property. But, you may be able to file a judgement against the owner if the dues are not paid. Consult your attorney.
DesmondD (Florida)
Posts: 11
Posted:
Hello

thank you for your very interesting post
can you please advise what the software is called or who sells it

thanks
HoaC (Florida)
Posts: 95
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By DesmondD on 06/03/2011 2:09 AM
Hello

thank you for your very interesting post
can you please advise what the software is called or who sells it

thanks

MyComPlus Software Corp
The V.P's # is 352 505 1631

We use this software and are no way affiliated with it. We purchase a license to use it. Two great features they have, not previuosly mentioned, is their propietery software that alerts the association if the ownership changes hands or the owner's mailing address changes. And bulk E-Mail capabilities. This is the simplest software for any one to use. Simple point and click. And in the cloud, so it is not sitting on a desktop PC. They offered us the most features for the least amount of money. We recommend them, but we get nothing for that.
So, I want to make sure, I am not affiliated with the Company and I am not trying to sell their product. They just have a great product and superb customer support relationship.

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