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JimL6 (Florida)
Posts: 45
Posted:
Hello,

Master Association Bylaws 5.02.05.Direct Balloting. If and when the Community Association Act shall authorize the Master Association to furnish ballots, rather than proxies, to Members for election of Directors, then the provisions of the Community Association Act with respect to election of Directors shall supersede the providions of this Section 5.02.

That is what that section in the Bylaws of our Master Association says.

The state is Florida.

Does anyone know what this "Community Association Act" is?

Jim

DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Jim,

The Community Association Act has never passed. The concept was to write Statutes that all types of associations would follow under 1 common set of Statutes. Meaning is that condos, stand alones, mobile parks, etc would all follow one common set. They are still trying to get this project accepted by the HOA community but I would vote against this for sure.

Please tell me what "5,02,05 Direct Balloting is? Is this taken from your own documents, which is what I believe this is?
JimL6 (Florida)
Posts: 45
Posted:
Thanks, Janet and Donna.

Donna, yes, it is taken from our own Documents. We have two sets of Documents, one for the Umbrella Association and another for the Master Association that encompasses the Umbrella Association as well as some other property. Much of the language is the same in the Bylaws for the Umbrella Association and in the Bylaws for the Master Association. However, even though the number of Members in the Master Association is even larger than the number of Members in the Umbrella Association, the Master Association Bylaws limits the Members to voting either in person or by proxy, whereas the Bylaws in the Umbrella Association allows the Members to vote either in person or by proxy or by direct ballot (no proxy). Although the clause, "when the Community Association Act shall authorize the Master Association to furnish ballots, rather than proxies, to Members for election of Directors," uses the phrase "shall authorize," as if the Master Association is not allowed to allow direct ballot voting (no proxy) until a "Community Association Act" allows it, it appears to me that the Master Association actually does not want to allow direct ballot voting (no proxy) until it is forced to allow it by such an Act. Why? Because the people in power want the Members to sign away (by proxy) their voting rights to the President or Secretary of the Master Association. That's why.

I wish Florida would adopt a state law forbiding proxy voting, as Arizona did.

Jim
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:
Jim,

Let me try to seperate all of this. There are 2 sets of documents. One is the Master which are the priority documents for the CC&Rs in the developement.

The other set of docs is your "umbrella" set or as I prefer to call it, the SUB association. This is the set of documents that your section (aka sub) association follows. Your Articles of Inc may read different from the Master association because you are a seperate corp as well as your Bylaws may as well.

Only your Covenants and Use Restrictions must be the same because the Master governs the entire look and use of the entire developement, including all sub associations. Therefore, each sub group may have different bylaws which include Board member numbers, how you vote and basically how you govern the sub section as a seperate corp apart from the Master..

I really wonder in who's infinite wisdom, decided to add "" the clause, "when the Community Association Act shall authorize the Master Association to furnish ballots, rather than proxies, to Members for election of Directors," uses the phrase "shall authorize," as if the Master Association is not allowed to allow direct ballot voting

Obviously from this, all members under the Master Association are allowed to vote for Board members and for amendments to the CC&Rs? If so, that is why there is a different voting procedure.

My Master Association does not vote for Board members. Officers(preferrably the President of the sub and another officer) from each sub are appointed to the Master Board which reduces much of the hullaboloo for seating a Master Board.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

I should have said that my MASTER ASSOCIATION does not vote for Board members but are appointed from our elected Board to represent the sub assoc on the Master Board.
JimL6 (Florida)
Posts: 45
Posted:
Hi Donna,

Our Master Declaration of Covenants, Conditions, Restrictions and Easements differs from our Umbrella Declaration of Covenants, Conditions and Restrictions; and our Master Articles of Incorporation differs from our Umbrella Articles of Incorporation; and our Master Bylaws differs from our Umbrella Bylaws.

The smallest associations are the Neighborhood Associations, which are under the umbrella of the Umbrella Association. The Master Association encompasses the Umbrella Association plus other property.

The Turnover Date for the Umbrella Association occurred in 1997.

The Turnover Date for the Master Association occurred much later.

Jim

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