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JoseV2 (Florida)
Posts: 19
Posted:
Where some communities have to endure extreme HOA Rules, we on the other hand, are experiencing a lack of enforced rules and covenants. For the past 9 years, every HOA member elected into office has failed this community by not applying our covenants. Every rule and covenant has been violated, from mail boxes, outside storage, junk cars, house colors, landscaping, A/C installed in windows, the destruction of over 600 trees and counting, dangerously damaged cracked sidewalks, commercial sign, commercial vehicles, etc. The list is endless. It's basically the same members year after year. Here's my concern: With property value hitting an all time low, my feeling is that an unattended community will become less desirable place to live. Therefore, who would want to buy a house here, unless they can get it for almost nothing. What action can I take against the HOA and Management company to obligate them to enforce our Rules & Covenants? I have sent them numerouse e-mail and picture. I've tried getting into the HOA but they have a grid lock. So, everything I have addressed has been with the help of Code Enforcement or City. Any suggestions?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Get over your misconception of home values is my suggestion. A HOA is a sales tool used by developers/builders to get people to buy their goods. Once they have left the building, it's up to the rest of the owner's to maintain. You can't expect individual volunteer homeowner's to be able to group together and make great/right decisions. Does a single working mother think or have the same needs as a Married family of 4 in regards of their property appearance? Depending on your HOA to make or get things right can only happen if there is a joined effort to do so. It's more of a "cultural" thing in the long run. It's difficult to change cultures.

Talk to a realtor about your concerns and get their feedback on what makes up "home value". It's more based on structural and location than if your neighbor leaves his gym shorts hanging on a clotheline in the front yard.

Simply put, a buyer can decide NOT to buy a house for ANY reason at all. That doesn't mean your home is worth any less. Your home is worth whatever other home in the area sales for in the same relm of bedroom/baths.

Sometimes you have to see the trees for the forrest to get to the other side. Stop banging your head on the tree!

Former HOA President
RobW (California)
Posts: 279
Posted:
Jose, as a former Realtor, former HOA president, and current Architectural Control chair in my community, I have to strongly disagree with Melissa on this. An HOA is a defined community, with defined values that each homeowner commits to uphold when he or she purchases a home within it. Whether or not you can specifically point to one problem and quantify its effect on property values, what you describe is much more serious than gym shorts hanging on a clothesline. The board members have a fiduciary responsibility to enforce the covenants, and you can hold them to it.

If the overall impression a potential buyer gets when visiting your community is one of neglect and poor maintenance, it will definitely affect the property values there. Worse, it attracts people who don't care about the appearance or condition, and the community gradually spirals down unless the trend is reversed.

What would I do in your situation? First, I would get on the board. I know you are convinced that there's no way to break into it, but you can campaign. Go door-to-door, talking to people about the irresponsibility and failure of the board to uphold their fiduciary responsibilities, and ask for their support. When you find enough people willing to serve with you, recall the entire board and start over.

If that didn't work, I would sue the association.

Good luck!

Rob
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Suing your HOA is suing yourself and your neighbors...It's never a good idea as an individual to sue. Plus if it's just for violating their own rules, how is a court going to enforce anything?

When I took over my HOA there was extreme apathy. The existing president was a con-artist who was using the association for his own personal gain. Many residents knew this but were powerless to do anything. He had a way to manipulate people in order for him to win. I saw it first hand and was a victim of it myself. Our home values were going into the toilet even though we had a prime location that has even gotten more prime.

Just like it takes a village to make changes, it also can take 1 person. Admittedly, I did have to out-con a con. It was sooo worth it but the pain was excruciating. Won't lie about that. It's ALL about the politics. You need to start playing them if you want to win. NOT all politicians are lying scumbags. Some like yourself are playing the politics to win the goal of change.

I strongly believe changes can be made by the ones who want them done. Strap up those boot straps and do what you think is right.

Former HOA President
JonD1
Posts: 2,350
Posted:
Jose:

Its called curb appeal. If you property is allowed to be out of control and a mess some buyers will never make it through your front door. Junk cars, garbage, laundry hanging out to dry, litter, cars parked on the front lawns, unkept homes it all serves to lower the value of your home and the livability of your property.

In many cases a buyer wishes to buy into a certain property because of their appearacne and reputation of the property. The proerty itself is LESS important.

You can have the best maintained property in the world in a crappy neighborhood and it will be worth nothing.

For some this concept is to difficult to grasp. Some Boards include members who can't appreciate the vlaue of order and appearance. Some people just can't be the grown-up in a world of children. And some folks like everyone to be happy and feel good.

One of the Board's roles is to maintain the appearance of the property and enforce agreed upon rules and regulations if not the property will suffer or attract those like minded folks who like to live in a slum.

You have three choices try to get on the Board to make changes. This might take time effrot and cuase pain and difficulty. Take legal action to force the Board to act. Costly. Or move.

I would suggest you determine whether any of your fellow property owners view this as a problem if not then IMO it is not worth the effrot to get them something they don't value. Unmaintained properties attract people who feel comfortable living like that. People who leave their property out of the front lawns sort of scare away people who work on the appearance of their property.

To suggest the failure to enforce rules regarding what can and should be done in a community does not and will not affect property values is proof you have no clue.

Your property does not stand alone for better or for worse it is part of a community. That can lift the vlaue or destroy the value.

Good luck.
RobW (California)
Posts: 279
Posted:
Melissa, not to be confrontational, but not every post can be addressed from your specific experience as the president of your particular HOA. Some of us have been deeply involved in our communities for many years, as directors, officers, committee members and chairs, ans some of us have managed to get our communities in good working order.

In addition, each state has its own issues that compound or resolve difficulties, and it would be advantageous to everyone if you would be more careful in researching the particular situation, before hitting the submit button.

Suing your HOA is sometimes the only option you have to force negligent or dishonest boards to wake up. A lawsuit is an extreme move that can get the negotiations going, when all else fails. If the board members truly are allowing the infrastructure to fail, and allowing the "broken window syndrome" to reign, then they need to be shaken up. If it can't be done diplomatically, then what other option does Jose have?

Rob
SuzanneL (Florida)
Posts: 32
Posted:
We have had the same thing in my community for 10 years and the community looks like a slum. One property recently sold for only $7000 so it definitely has affected property values. Every time we get board members who try to enforce our rules they get intimidated to resign or recalled. We are awaiting the results of a recall now. Fiduciary duty is not understood or practiced.

Most members don't understand what it means to reside in a HOA so educating is definitely a key including educationg board members. Board members should be encouraged to attend local group HOA association meetings if they exist in your area.

We have also reached out to our local elected representative and do report violations to code enforcement.

On the plus side my taxes will only be about $200 this year, but I would rather pay higher taxes and have my property worth something again.
JoseV2 (Florida)
Posts: 19
Posted:
I beg to differ. You actually sound like an HOA member with no clue on the disability of a community which is based on total appearance. I personally buy foreclose homes and I have come across some great deal or steals but I won't buy them based on the surrounding pathetic appearance of the houses. Also, when a family purchases a home in a D restricted neighborhood its because they know the home values are higher, they offer amenities, safety and understand that they have a responsibility to comply with the covenants. It's not culture, it's irresponsibility and laziness. So your tree theory is fraud. Sorry
JonD1
Posts: 2,350
Posted:
Jose.. Don't pay attention to Melissa. She's got a long history of posting such trivial responses to owners
BernardL (Georgia)
Posts: 1
Posted:
Jose: Sorry to see you are stuck with a Board which has stopped functioning in the best interest of your community. I believe the 9 year lapse in time is a huge factor. Many of your neighbors have given up trying to "make a difference." Since you still care, you are going to have to find ways to restart the process. A few suggestions: (1) Find a project you can volunteer to do which will make a visible difference in the appearance of the neighborhood/Common Area. We convinced a homeowner who demonstrated his talent for landscaping to help us put in flowers out front. Neighbors who saw us doing the work stopped to talk and asked how they could help. (2) Find vendors who will give discounts for services homeowners need. We implemented a "Spring Clean-Up" period in April and May. We cut down dead trees, removed unwanted trash and garbage, provided cut rate "weed & feed" applications,..etc. As the clean-up trend caught on, we personally volunteered to help neighbors who were beginning to improve their property. It has made a difference ..one homeowner at a time.

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