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RgV (Virginia)
Posts: 9
Posted:
Hopefully someone who understands Virginia law can help me with a solution. Our bylaws state that ARC guidline changes need to be approved by 51% of the members (persons who show up on the deed). And that any proposed changes to the RC guideline must be noticed as part of a regular meeting notice - 30 days in advance. The by-laws also state that all notices are to issued by U.S. Mail or in person.

The board sent out Annual meeting notices (and proxy form) electronically to about 150 people who have signed up as registered used of the HOA web site. We have 200 homes (presumably around 400 members -- i.e., two per house). The notice was silient about any proposed ARC guideline changes. The board had a meeting two weeks before teh annual meeting and approved the chnages to the ARC guidelines. About 4 days before the annual meeting they distributed the new guidelines electrconically (again only to a portion of the members) suggesting they were going to discuss these at the annual meeting and wanted some feedback. At the meeting the Pres indicated that the new rules where final (based on the BM vote two weeks earlier) and no additonal comments were required or would be entertained. In addition, he indicated that he had enough proxies to force any changes he wanted. The new guidelines are 600% larger than the old ones (96 pages vs 14)and contain significant changes (some of which have nothing to do with ARC). Most properties do nt comply with all the new requirements. Some violations are very minor (mailbowes, signs, etc.), others are very significant. The new guidelines have stiff monetary penalties attached, which the BM is now starting to levy. The new guidelines also include a series of very strict "maintenance requirments" (such to fines) that go well beyond just trying to maintain common good community appearance to the point ot imposing a harse standards that many member do not agree with.

Here is my Qs:
1)Can notice be given electronically if the by-laws say US Mail or in person?
2)Is notice proper if 25% of the people never recieve it and there is no assurance it didn't go into the junk folder for other users?
3)The by laws talk about notcing members and votes by members but the BM seems to equate members with lots. More than one member may be on a deed although typical voting is 1 vote per lot, the by-laws clearly says members when discussing changes to teh ARC guidelines. Only one proxy was allowed per lot and all members did not sign the proxy. In fact becasue they were done electronically only one member could have completed a proxy.
4)Can a proxy be used to vote for an issue that was not properly noticed in the agenda soliciting the proxy (especially if the by-laws state that all ARC guideline changes must be noticed for 30 days in writing before a vote of the members)?
5) Shouldn't existing variances to the new rules be grandfathered?
6) What is the best way to stop the BM from inforcing the new ARC guidelines until proper input from the members is achieved, notice is properly provided and a fair vote can be had amongst all owners?

I think the answers to most of these question are obvious. I'm just wanting some other thoughts before I engage the BM about these issues. My concerns is that this will result in significant legal fees for the HOA (i.e., higher dues) and some liability if the courts determine the guidelines are improperly established (e.g., we have to pay for the legal fees of others plus our own lawyers). In addition, they could have the affect of discouraging potenital home buyers for aquiring property becasue of the appearance of a HOA police state.

Any input is greatly appeaciated.

JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi RgV:

Welcome to HOAtalk.

Tim is from Virginia and very knowledgeable regarding the state statutes. I will let him more fully answer your questions; however, as an example the below statute provides that no matter what a board implements the members can reverse, if so desired by the majority.

ยง 55-513. Adoption and enforcement of rules.

A. Except as otherwise provided in this chapter, the board of directors shall have the power to establish, adopt, and enforce rules and regulations with respect to use of the common areas and with respect to such other areas of responsibility assigned to the association by the declaration, except where expressly reserved by the declaration to the members. Rules and regulations may be adopted by resolution and shall be reasonably published or distributed throughout the development. A majority of votes cast, in person or by proxy, at a meeting convened in accordance with the provisions of the association's bylaws and called for that purpose, shall repeal or amend any rule or regulation adopted by the board of directors. Rules and regulations may be enforced by any method normally available to the owner of private property in Virginia, including, but not limited to, application for injunctive relief or damages, during which the court may award to the association court costs and reasonable attorneys' fees.

SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
It's hard to imagine that a board would violate its own bylaws so blatently.

Did you ask WHY they made the changes at the board level, when your bylaws clearly say it must be a Member vote?

Why were proxies included in the Notice of the annual meeting (were they to meet the quorum requirement)?

Boards CAN pass rules. (You use the words guidelines and rules.)

Why are you talking about legal means? At the meeting, simply call a Point of Order and explain the rules, as you stated here, and so their authority in this matter is null and void. They MUST follow the bylaws.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
1)Can notice be given electronically if the by-laws say US Mail or in person?

VA ยง 55-515.3 would be the controlling document here. It says that "Unless the declaration expressly provides otherwise" that electronic notice can be given. Per VA ยง 55-509, Declaration is defined as "any instrument, however denominated, recorded among the land records of the county". In other words the CC&Rs.

Since the Bylaws are not the CC&Rs, then electronic delivery can be done (unless it deals with foreclosure proceedings, enforcement actions or assessment liens.

2)Is notice proper if 25% of the people never receive it and there is no assurance it didn't go into the junk folder for other users?

Proper notice is given if it is sent/published to the membership. Just as notices published in newspapers are legal even though there is no assurance that interested parties read or even subscribe to that paper, there is no requirement on the Association that the membership received, read, understood or tossed any notice.

VA ยง 55-515.3 Item F does require that the Association must make reasonable accommodation, at its expense, for anyone who does not have the capability or desire to conduct business using electronic transmission. however, the way it's worded sounds like the burden is on the individual to notify the Association of this vs. the Association determining on their own if someone does not have access.

3)The bylaws talk about noticing members and votes by members but the BM seems to equate members with lots. More than one member may be on a deed although typical voting is 1 vote per lot, the by-laws clearly says members when discussing changes to the ARC guidelines.

I suspect somewhere in your governing documents that the term "member" is defined and "voting rights" are also defined. Typically, these equate to lots. If one lot is owned by more than one individual (or by a company), then the owners of the lot must determine among themselves who will register the vote.

In my Association, these items are defined within our CC&Rs and, to some extent, restated in the Articles of Incorporation and The Bylaws. I would recommend that you review your governing documents to determine if the terms are defined within them.

Only one proxy was allowed per lot and all members did not sign the proxy. In fact because they were done electronically only one member could have completed a proxy.

I am of the expectation that your Association is incorporated as under the VA Non-Stock Corporation Act. Therefore, VA Non Stock Corporation act, ยง 13.1-847 addresses proxies. Per this act, and per VA ยง 55-515.3, proxies may be submitted electronically.

Any member may appoint a proxy. ยง 13.1-847 specifies that the proxy is valid when it is accepted by the Corporation (i.e. the Association).

4)Can a proxy be used to vote for an issue that was not properly noticed in the agenda soliciting the proxy (especially if the by-laws state that all ARC guideline changes must be noticed for 30 days in writing before a vote of the members)?

VA law specifies that a vote can be cast by proxy. The issue of proper notice, quorum requirements and ballots would be the determining factors in certifying the vote on any issue.

5) Shouldn't existing variances to the new rules be grandfathered?

Ahh, this is the stickler with any guideline change. Technically, (as I personally found out) for civil issues to be grandfathered, the grandfathering must be specifically mentioned. Please note, this is not the same as having something previously approved.

Lets say you installed a shed on your property. In accordance to your governing documents, you asked for and received permission from your Association prior to the installation. The following year your Association adopts a guideline that sheds are not allowed. Since you asked for and received permission, as long as that existing shed is kept in good repair and working order - your shed is fine. However, based on the guidelines, you should not expect permission to replace the shed or install a larger/smaller shed when yours wears or is destroyed.

This would also be applicable to any items that were on your house when purchased providing that the Association did not identify them as being non-compliant. VA ยง 55-509.5 Paragraph A, Item 9, requires that such a statement be made within the disclosure package.

Now, if you had a garden flag in the front of your home and failed to get permission (because there was no guideline about garden flags) and the new requirements now specify no garden flags, you would be in violation of the guidelines. WHY? Mainly because you failed to get permission before installing it and your CC&Rs say any changes to the exterior of your home requires permission.

Note the Virginia Property Owners Act does specify that the rules shall be reasonably published or distributed throughout the development. Posting them on the website may be considered reasonable. Personally, I would print them and deliver them to the members.

6) What is the best way to stop the BM from enforcing the new ARC guidelines until proper input from the members is achieved, notice is properly provided and a fair vote can be had amongst all owners?

First you need to identify what needs to be challenged. I see two possibilities.

A - Challenge the Guidelines

You stated "At the meeting the Pres indicated that the new rules where final (based on the BM vote two weeks earlier). VA law ยง 55-513 (part of the VPOAA) specifies that the Board has the authority to adopt rules and guidelines unless "expressly reserved by the declaration to the members".

Again the Declaration is defined as the CC&Rs and not the Bylaws. Therefore, it appears that their may be a conflict between your Bylaws and the Virginia Property Owners Act (VPOAA). When this happens, the VPOAA will control.

Based on what you have posted, I believe that this is what the Board is basing their authority on. Lets expect this is the fact and move on from there.

VA law ยง 55-513 also states that the membership can abolish the rules by "A majority of votes cast, in person or by proxy, at a meeting convened in accordance with the provisions of the association's bylaws and called for that purpose, shall repeal or amend any rule or regulation adopted by the board of directors."

Therefore, to remove those guidelines, the membership needs to call a special meeting and vote on removing them.

You need to follow the specifics in your governing documents to call a special meeting but the typical method is as follows:

1) Circulate a petition for signatures of owners (one per lot)to call a special meeting for the purpose of abolishing the new guidelines and return to the old guidelines.

2) Once you have the number of signatures required by your governing documents (I prefer to have more than enough) send the petition to the Board of Directors via certified mail with a copy to the registered agent and a copy to the property manager stating that in accordance with the VPOAA, ยง 55-513, and your governing documents the membership, represented by the petition, desires to call a special meeting for the purpose of abolishing the guidelines adopted by the Board and to return to the previous guideline that were adopted by the membership. Specify a date for the meeting be held (remember any notice requirements).

The Board will need time to verify the names on the petition - therefore they should have printed names along with signatures and lot numbers.

3) The Board should or you can arrange a meeting site, date and time and draft an agenda.

4) Notice of meeting is published (you should personally mail it to all members at your expense if you believe the web site is not well read).

5) YOU should solicit proxies from all members (going door to door).

6) Day of meeting:
Confirm quorum requirement
Hold Discussion
Distribute ballots
Close polls, collect and count the ballots
Announce vote
Inform membership of results

B - Challenge the Process

Contact an attorney and challenge the adopted guidelines based on the following:
1) Your bylaws control vs VA Law ยง 55-513
2) Association is in violation of notice requirements by only using electronic methods

Option B will cost you and the Association a lot of money in legal fees and court costs and you might not win. I would suggest using Option A.

Hope this helps.

Tim

BTW: To prevent a similar issue in the future, I would recommend that start a separate campaign to amend your CC&Rs to include the guideline passage you said were in your bylaws as this would nullify that section of VA law ยง 55-513 which gives the Board the right to adopt the guidelines.

SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Tim did a wonderful job explaing all this.

Answered my questions, too.

I can't believe that a document went from 14 pages to 96 without a lot of work.

Our board would have set up a committee, asked for member input and had several drafts before it ever got to the board passage stage. This would have taken months.

Either this board hid all this work from the homeowners or the OP missed out on all the pre-steps in the forumulation of this new document.

RgV (Virginia)
Posts: 9
Posted:
Wow, thanks Tim this is great. I have a significant amount of work to do to review all of this.

Breaking this down into smaller pieces in order to manage it, let me ask a few follow-up questions.

First lets talk about notice. The CC&R specifically states "written notice of any meeting...shall be sent to all Members not less than 30 days not more than 60 days in advance of the meeting."

The CC&R then contains a section called "Architectural Control" which lists the original ARC Guidelines.

The CC&R then states that "an amendment may be proposed by the Boardof Directors or at least 20% of either voting class of Members. No proposed amendment shall be effective unless it has been adopted by an affirmative vote or written agreement of at least 51% of the Members. Notice of the subject matter of a proposed amendment shall be included in the notice of any meeting of the Association at which the proposed amendment is to be considered, and shall be served upon all Owners in a manner hereinafter provided for service of notices."

The CC&R states that written notice of any meeting called for the purpose of taking any action authorized under this Sectiondefines Notice as follows "All notices required to be served upon Owners pursuant to this Declaration or the By-Laws shall be sufficient if delivered to the Lot or mailed to the Owner at the Lot mailing address by regular mail... the effective date of the notice shall be the date of delivery to the Lot and a date 5 days after deposit in the mail in case of notice sent by mail."

Note: The CC&R uses the term Member or Owner. The CC&R defines Owner as a record owner of the lot excluding any persons having merely a security interest. All Owners are considered Members, however Members are only allowed to 1 vote per Lot they own. Multiple Owners of a single Lot shall be deemed one Owner for puroses of the Declaration.

Looking strictly at the CC&R and not the By-Laws, here are my notice follow-up questions:
1) It clearly lists US mail and hand delivery period, it does not provide for any other means such as facsimile, email, telephone, other means of notice (e.g., time travel, warping, etc.). I would think that the specific wording that recognizes two forms of delivery would have to trump an assumption that other means not listed could be used. I got the sense from Tim's comments that VA allows electronic unless it is otherwise stated. Well if it is affirmatively stated that there are only two means doesn't that exclude all others.

2) Notice has to be provided to all Members. There are two issues here. One if members means all persons listed on the deeds than most lots will than 2. The HOA only allows one email registration to their web site. Second, not everyone is register on the web site so email do not cover all Members even if you assume that Members only mean one person per lot.

3)If you consider additions to the ARC guidliens in the CC&R to be changes, then these have to be voted on by the members at a meeting after receiving proper notice. The annual meeting notice did not meantion the ARC guidelines at all. Any proxies that were given therefore for the annual meeting could not be presumed to agree to votes on the ARC guidelines. In addition, the Board approved the new guidelines and never let the members vote so the lack of notice may be a moot issue in this respect.

4) How you you confirm delivery of an email. The guidelines deal with delivery dates for mail and hand delivery. Email can go into a junk folder, be blocked bby a spam filter or the owner could have changed and the new onwers never registered with the association so the email is the pror owner's email. Without a confirmation receipt it seems pretty loose even despite the fact you are not serving all Owners (regardless of how you define Owner).

To be fair, a later section of the CC&R states that thh Board "may adopt, amend and enforce complaince with any reasonable rules and regulations relative to the operation, use and occuancy of the Lots and Community Facilities consistent with provision of this Declaration." It's my position that since the ARC Guidelines are specifically set forth in the CC&R and there is a specific procedure to amend the CC&R then those procedures trump the Board's ability to create a new ARC Guideline. Note: the new material is label "New ARC Guidelines". Clearly the Baord can make up rules, but it would be inconsistent to think they could change something unilaterially that the CC&R says must be a 51% member vote. Do you all agree?

This is enough for one chunk. I would also note that the CR&R incoprorates the By-Laws and the By-Laws go on ot sates specifically that the notices SHALL be mailed to the last known address of record using US mail or hand delivered.

RgV (Virginia)
Posts: 9
Posted:
Opps. In reading my latest post I realized that I somehow dropped part of a sentence regarding CC&R notice requirements. The CC&R Notice definition specifically allows for two forms of written notice, U.S. Mail or hand delivery to the property. It then provides a means for determining when notice was delivered (i.e., actual date of hand delivery or 5 days after deposit in US mail).

So my position is that since the CC&R provides specific notice requirements it trumps VA ยง55-515.3 for at least two reasons:
First, VA 55-508 restricts the applicability of 55-515.3. "This chapter shall not be construed to affect the validity of any provision of any declaration recorded prior to July 1, 1998...." "This chapter shall not be construed to affect the validity of any provision of any prior declaration; however, to the extent the declaration is silent, the provisions of this chapter shall apply...." Our declaration (CC&R) was filed in 1990. Second, the CC&R is not silint on how notice must be provided (i.e., it provided two means US Mail and Hand delivery). The same requirements are listed in the By-Laws which are specifically incorporated by reference in the CC&R.

Moreover, the HOA has used US mail for every meeting notice prior to this last one. There was no attempt to solict consent from Members to use electronic transmission per the requirements of the Virginia Non Stock Corporation Act ยง 13.1-810 (D) and there was no attempt to accomadate people that did not have access to email (i.e., they knew that their email list was incomplete because it few names than lots but they failed to provide any other reasonable means of notice). Moreover, their email list was simply a list of people who previsouly had acces to the web site. It may not represent the current Members.

So this basiscally means the Annual Meeting was not properly noticed or conducted and the Board is not valid. I'm not sure this by itself overturns the Board approval of the new ARC Guidelines which apparently happened prior to the Annual Meeting.

I'm thinking that because the CC&R specifically has a section that lays out the ARC Guidelines in detail and it then in a subsequent section requires all changes to the CC&R be approved by 51% of the members at a properly noticed meeting, that this would override the Boards authority to adopt rules and regulations pertaining to any ARC matters. In other words the Board can not circumvent the requirments of the CC&R by simply calling an ARC restriction a rule. The fact is the new restrictions are labeled "New ARC Guidelines". Anyone buying this?

I appreciate everyone's input. I have plowwed through most of the applicable codes that Tim cites. Thanks again Tim.

Here is an example of where this is going (albeit on a trival issue). About 8 years ago an owner replaced their mailbox (which was run over) with a much nicer quality mailbox on a metal pole. The original posts were white 4x4 wooden posts that are subject to cracking, leaning, paint peeling, etc. -- twenty years of wear and tear. The new post looks just like the original post only made of metal -- same color, size, shape, etc. (In fact it looks better than most mailboxes becuase the others need painting or maintenance). The prior ARC Guidelines stated that Owners did not need to get ARC approval to replace mailboxes provided "the new mailbox looked is similar". Four years ago (i.e., 4 years after the new box had been installed) the individual who is now pushing all these ARC changes (lets just call him Stalin to protect the innocent) sent a letter to the Owner stating that the mailbox violated the then current ARC Guideline. The Owner sent an appeal letter noting that the ARC Guidelines specifically say approval is not required and simply state that the new box be similar, which his is (albeit not identical) to the original mailbox. Six months pass (under our CC&R the Board has 30 days to respond or take action in response to an appeal of a notice of violation) and the Board sent another letter which simply noted that the ARG Guidelines are under review. Flash forward four year, we now have new guidelines which specifically state "No metal posts" -- as you can suspect due to Mr. Stalin. Is the owner in violation?

This is just an example, there are so many more -- this one has the least number of variables (i.e., metal vs. wood). The old guidelines listed changes where approval was affirmatively required, they also listed changes where approval was not required (e.g., the mailbox) and went on to say that unless the guidelines require appoval it is not required. The new guidelines drop many of the prior statements which previously indicated approval was not required and now state unless otherwise indicated that approval is not required, approval is required for all changes to the property. So if the prior guidelines were slient, Owners would not have applied for ARC approval, if the new guidelines now indicate that past changes need approval this appears to create a hugh burden on those Members who never violated the prior guidelines.

If I can't get enough members on Board, it may come down to blowing up the Board (i.e., since they were not properly elected at an annual meeting), which means they will not have the quarm required to prosecute the "new violations". Obviously this is a lose-lose result which doesn't serve the community very well. I'm trying to schedule a meeting to see if Stalin will consider letting a new committee rewrite the ARC guidelines with Member notice and input this time.

BTW, the new ARC Guidelines state that the Association can enter a Lot and make changes to bring it into compliance (without a court order) and charge the Owner for the cost. This seems like a law suit waiting to happen.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
RgV,

As you know State and Federal laws continually change (adopted, amended, abolished). In private life and within the corporate world there is an order of precedence of what law/document trumps another when there is a conflict between two or more laws/documents. The law or document that has precedence is called the controlling document. Sometimes the laws or documents themselves will specify what will be the controlling document if there is a conflict. Within HOAs the typical order of precedence is:

Federal Law - like Fair Housing Act, etc.
Federal Regulations - Like FCC satellite regulation.
State Law - Like VA Property Owners Association Act (VPOAA)
County Regulations - Like Building codes
City Ordinances - Like Towing/Parking
Declaration of Covenants Conditions and Restrictions - Your CC&Rs
Articles of Incorporation - The Document creating the corporation known as your HOA
Bylaws - The list of procedures on how the Corporation is to be ran
Resolutions - Decision made by the Board of Directors

1) It [CC&Rs] clearly lists US mail and hand delivery period, it does not provide for any other means such as facsimile, email, telephone, other means of notice (e.g., time travel, warping, etc.). I would think that the specific wording that recognizes two forms of delivery would have to trump an assumption that other means not listed could be used. I got the sense from Tim's comments that VA allows electronic unless it is otherwise stated. Well if it is affirmatively stated that there are only two means doesn't that exclude all others.

Most CC&Rs are created with a standardized form and language that covers the basics (a boilerplate). The VPOAA was amended in 2010 to include ยง 55-515.3. Use of technology, which allows for the use of electronic methods.

Since that section of law defers control to the Declaration if your Declaration specifies that notices will be mailed or hand delivered, then this is what is required to be followed. I've only seen method of notice delivery mentioned in Bylaws and not the CC&Rs.

IF your CC&Rs do have method of delivery stated then your Association must follow the method of delivery in the CC&Rs. Electronic delivery can be done in addition to mailings.

HOW TO CORRECT - Once you have confirmed that it is the CC&Rs and not the Bylaws that mention the method of notice, Start with a certified letter to the Board mentioning your concern that the Board is in violation of the CC&Rs as it applies to meeting notice. Identify that although VA ยง 55-515.3 does allow electronic methods it defers control to the Declaration of Covenants, Conditions and Restrictions. Since the CC&Rs, identify article/section, specify notice will be by US Mail or hand delivered failure to use that method could affect the validity of any decision made at meetings where proper notice was not given. Ask that they verify this with the Association's attorney and take any necessary steps to correct. Send a copy of that letter to the registered agent.

NOTE: Expecting that the Board used VA law ยง 55-513 as the basis for passing the guidelines, any notice requirement unmet will probably not nullify the new guidelines.

2) Notice has to be provided to all Members. There are two issues here. One if members means all persons listed on the deeds than most lots will than 2. The HOA only allows one email registration to their web site.

As my wife says to me at times, your over thinking this issue. The Association is required to send notice to the members address on file with the Association. If there are more than one owner of a property, it is up to the member to inform the board of more than one address not for the Board to locate the members.

I personally have 6 different e-mail accounts. I would not expect (nor would I want) anyone to send the same info to all addresses.

HOW TO CORRECT - Mention the issue to the Board and ask how they handle instances of more then one owner of a property and each have separate mailing addresses. I suspect that their answer would be the same as my Association - the two owners identify one party to be the representative of the owners and the Association and the Association deals with that one individual.

Second, not everyone is register on the web site so email do not cover all Members even if you assume that Members only mean one person per lot.

This is typical of all Associations. The phrase - you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink, comes to mind. Associations can make the information available but can't force the membership to read, understand or participate in the process.

I do understand what you are saying and you believe that if notification was made by mail there would be a larger turn out at meetings. Understand that it costs money to print and mail notices. Therefore, the Board may be trying to cut expenses by using the website as the only means of notification. They are probably doing this with good intentions.

If your CC&Rs specify the notification notice then once you inform the board of your findings and they confirm the findings - this may no longer be an issue.

3)If you consider additions to the ARC guidelines in the CC&R to be changes, then these have to be voted on by the members at a meeting after receiving proper notice. The annual meeting notice did not mention the ARC guidelines at all. Any proxies that were given therefore for the annual meeting could not be presumed to agree to votes on the ARC guidelines. In addition, the Board approved the new guidelines and never let the members vote so the lack of notice may be a moot issue in this respect.

RgV, You are expecting that the new guidelines were an amendment to the CC&Rs. If this is the case, then you would be correct that the issue could be challenged on improper notice - providing you found members who were not aware of the meeting.

HOWEVER, Based on your postings and VA law, I suspect that your Board did not amend the CC&Rs. They adopted a resolution creating additional guidelines and rules as authorized in VA law and (per your recent post) your CC&Rs.

There is a major difference between the two methods. Amending the CC&Rs requires membership approval. Adopting a resolution only requires Board approval. Per your posting, the Board mentioned that the guidelines were adopted by the Board, which indicates that it was a resolution.

NOTE: If there is a conflict between the resolution and the CC&RS, the CC&Rs would control.

4) How you you confirm delivery of an email. The guidelines deal with delivery dates for mail and hand delivery. Email can go into a junk folder, be blocked bby a spam filter or the owner could have changed and the new owners never registered with the association so the email is the pror owner's email. Without a confirmation receipt it seems pretty loose even despite the fact you are not serving all Owners (regardless of how you define Owner).

How do you confirm delivery of first class mail? There is no receipt that first class mail was delivered or read. US Mail can get lost in a machine, improperly delivered, stolen, returned due to change of address or the owner can toss the mail like junk mail without opening it.

The burden of proof is in the sending not on the receipt.

Clearly the Baord can make up rules, but it would be inconsistent to think they could change something unilaterially that the CC&R says must be a 51% member vote. Do you all agree?

I concur that the Board could not legally amend the CC&Rs without a membership vote. However, they can (and do) adopt resolutions and guidelines that are in addition to the CC&Rs.

So this [improper notice] basically means the Annual Meeting was not properly noticed or conducted and the Board is not valid. I'm not sure this by itself overturns the Board approval of the new ARC Guidelines which apparently happened prior to the Annual Meeting.

I would have to agree that if proper notice was not given the election could be challenged. To challenge the election you will need to consult a local attorney and possibly file a legal action if a request for a new election is denies or goes unanswered.

NOTE: Expecting that the new guidelines were a resolution adopted by the Board prior to the annual meeting, then the new guidelines would still be legal.

In other words the Board can not circumvent the requirments of the CC&R by simply calling an ARC restriction a rule. The fact is the new restrictions are labeled "New ARC Guidelines". Anyone buying this?

If you are not aware, CC&Rs and Guidelines might perform the same function but they are two very different things.

CC&Rs are the covenants, conditions and restrictions you agreed to comply with. Amending the CC&Rs require membership approval.

Guidelines are the standardizations the Board established to give guidance on what changes would be authorized or (usually) denied. They can typically be changed by Board of Directors. This is where the Association might say your house has to be painted a certain color.

Sometimes, the Association causes the confusion. Lets take the example that you want to paint your house purple. the CC&Rs specify that you must get permission to make any exterior changes. The guidelines say houses must only be painted white. You didn't read your documents and painted the house purple. Shortly after you get a letter from the Association saying "you are in violation of the guidelines for painting your house purple" when in reality, you would be in violation of the CC&Rs for not getting permission prior to painting your house purple. The guideline only specified to the approving authority not to approve any request to paint a house purple.

About 8 years ago an owner replaced their mailbox (which was run over) with a much nicer quality mailbox on a metal pole. . . The prior ARC Guidelines stated that Owners did not need to get ARC approval to replace mailboxes provided "the new mailbox looked is similar". . . . Flash forward four year, we now have new guidelines which specifically state "No metal posts" -- Is the owner in violation?

Possibly. Let me ask you a few questions:

1. What is the exact wording of the info about mailboxes?
2. What document is that wording located?
3. What is the exact wording of the new guideline?
4. Did the old wording mention anything about posts.

I ask because there are technicalities that need cleared up. Based only on your posting, the guidelines said permission was not needed for new mailboxes providing that they were similar. When you buy a replacement "mailbox" at the store you are purchasing the box itself and not what the box is mounted to. If the guideline did not mention posts (or what the mailbox was attached to) then it's possible that the new guideline is not in conflict with the old. It is just clarifying a gray area about what the mailbox is attached to.

Without reading the documents, I can't say for sure.

The new guidelines drop many of the prior statements which previously indicated approval was not required and now state unless otherwise indicated that approval is not required, approval is required for all changes to the property.

Again, without reading the documents in question, it's difficult to comment. I will only say that to change the CC&Rs require membership approval but to adopt additional guidelines or clarify gray areas of the CC&Rs can be done with a resolution without membership approval.

If I can't get enough members on Board, it may come down to blowing up the Board (i.e., since they were not properly elected at an annual meeting), which means they will not have the quorum required to prosecute the "new violations". Obviously this is a lose-lose result which doesn't serve the community very well. I'm trying to schedule a meeting to see if Stalin will consider letting a new committee rewrite the ARC guidelines with Member notice and input this time.

For what your saying here, it can only be done through the court system. This will cost you and the Association (which you will be required to pay your fair share of) time, energy and money. This is a decision that can only be made by you as you are the only one that needs to determine how much it's worth to you. I'm glad you realize that it's a lose-lose situation.

Again, expecting that the guidelines were a properly adopted resolution - this action will not abolish the guidelines.

OTHER OPTIONS - Resolutions can be adopted, modified or abolished by any board. Recommend you get a group together and run for the Board. IF elected, and you have enough like minded people on the board, you can abolish the guidelines or rewrite them. Of course, the board following yours can do the same thing.

BTW, the new ARC Guidelines state that the Association can enter a Lot and make changes to bring it into compliance (without a court order) and charge the Owner for the cost. This seems like a law suit waiting to happen.

My governing documents say the same thing. I will mention that we were given legal advise to not use this method of enforcement unless we absolutely have to and we were encouraged to check with him prior to using it.

They recommend using what is authorized in VA law - ยง 55-513, $10 per day up to 90 days (it's unclear if the 90 day clock can start again if you hold another hearing).

Hope this helps (it took me 1.5 hrs to research and write it),

Tim
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
RgV,

An option for the mailbox issue would be:

1. Request a meeting with the board
2. At the meeting politely explain why the metal pole was installed over the wooden one. State your willingness to comply with the governing documents of the Association. Suggest the following option:

Knowing the need to have a uniformity to the appearance of the development request, as a compromise, to surround the metal pole with a wooden box - giving the appearance of a wooden stand but the durability of the metal.

Just thought I'd toss that into the ring.

Tim
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
RgV,

I wanted to add one more comment in regards to what you posted about VA ยง 55-508. Applicability.

You Stated:

"First, VA 55-508 restricts the applicability of 55-515.3. "This chapter shall not be construed to affect the validity of any provision of any declaration recorded prior to July 1, 1998...." "This chapter shall not be construed to affect the validity of any provision of any prior declaration; however, to the extent the declaration is silent, the provisions of this chapter shall apply...." Our declaration (CC&R) was filed in 1990. Second, the CC&R is not silint on how notice must be provided (i.e., it provided two means US Mail and Hand delivery). The same requirements are listed in the By-Laws which are specifically incorporated by reference in the CC&R.

Whenever you read a legal document you need to realize that most of them are based on the conditional statements. Similar to the conditional programing method of "if, then, else". If something occurs Then this shall happen else (unless/otherwise) this shall happen.

Your posting failed to acknowledge the first condition of the Law This chapter shall apply to developments subject to a declaration, as defined herein, initially recorded after January 1, 1959. What the passage you quoted referred to was the VA Subdivided Land Sales Act ยง 55-336. Developements prior to 1998 could have been structured under that act or the VPOAA. That paragraph is saying that a Declaration under the Land Sales Act is still valid.

IF your development is subject to a Declaration recorded after 1959 Then then they are subject to the VPOAA Unless the declaration was recorded prior to July 1, 1998 under the Subdivided Land Sales Act.

IF the development was under the Subdivided Land Sales Act THEN this law will not invalidate provisions of that declaration UNLESS the declaration specifically says the VPOAA applies.

Here is a link to a different thread within HOAtalk that discusses how to read laws:

http://www.hoatalk.com/Forum/tabid/55/view/topic/postid/103015/Default.aspx

Tim

RgV (Virginia)
Posts: 9
Posted:
Tim, thanks for the information. I can't see where the CC&R indicates jurisdiction under either the Subdivided Lands Act or the VPOAA. Neither are refered to a controlling Law. The CC&R was filed in 1990. The Articles of Incorporation state "in complaince with the requirements of Chapter 2, Title 13.1 of the 1950 Code of Virginia. Not sure if this means anything. It later referes to the same code at Section 13.1-902 in the CC&R when discussing dissolution.

In the CC&R there are two references to regulatory authority. The first under mandatory disclosure to Lot Purchaser which refers to Section 55-512 (which probably should be 55-509.5) and the other under actions the Association can take to remedy a default or non-comlaince which refers to Section 55-513. Those are all the regulation citations I can find.

So if the CC&R provides specific guideance does Section 55-515.3 still prevail?

I did find prior resolutions pasted by the Members (with member signatures) approving a modification terms and addition provisions to the sections of the CC&R which deal with the ARC Guidelines. So it looks as those at least at one point the association believed that the Board's authority to establish rules and regulations did not over-ride specific standards addressed in the CC&R. This was actually certified and files with the county. The CC&R has a provision that states any "amendments sahll be attached to or included with a cerrtificate, certifying that the amendment was duly adopted, which certificate shall be executed and acknowledged by the offices of the Assocition with the formalites of a deed. The amendment of the Declaration shal be effective when the certificate and copy of the amendment was recorded." It doesn't look like the Association has filed any ARC guideline changes (or CC&R changes) with the county after the first ten years. This may be another issue.

This seems consistent with ยง 55-515.1. Amendment to declaration and bylaws; consent of mortgagee. Am I correct that 55-515.1 (A0 only applies to the mortgage holders and not the members? In otherwords, the Association can assume if they send out an amendment by certified mail, return receipt requested tto members, that they have approval if no one expressly state objects within 60 days. Otherwise this would appear to over-ride the specific provision of hte CC&R requiring a approval of 51% of the members at a duely noticed meeting.

Regarding my neighbors mailbox, framing the post with wood is a good thought, however the metal post is 4x4 and is identical to the 4x4 white wooded posts the builder installed. Framing it with wood would most likely make it a 6x6 post (assuming 1" thick boards) which would make it look different. Right now you wouldn't know it was any different if you didn't walk up and touch it. Which is why this change seems so obviously vindictive against my neighbor. I'm not even sure my neighbor would consider it given the bad blood that is starting to occur. I personally like the mailbox and so do other neighbors on our street. I would install one too, except they cost around $600 without installation (as I said it it a nice box) and I don't want to incur the expense if its not clear that it meets the ARC Guidelines (or future ARC Guidelines). I bet if I file an ARC application to install one I'll be turned down because it has a metal post.

Thanks again. I have a meeting set up for next week, I'll report back what happens.

RgV (Virginia)
Posts: 9
Posted:
I did find a prior resolution which states that electronic notice can not be used to serve ntice until a member has provied written approval for the Association to use it.

Do you think someone will agrue that by signing into the web site you have provided written permission for electronic notice? I would think that it would have to be a little more obvious than that if you we granting approval of electronic notice.

Thoughts?

Oh on the humorous side, the electronic version of the ARC guideline that the Board approved last month, which were only emailed and posted on the web site, indicate that anyone who doesn't have electronic access can request the Association send them a hard copy by US Mail. That's a good thing to know.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
RgV,

My Association was formed in 1978 and it is covered under the VPOAA. Per your posting, your documents refer to the VPOAA. Therefore, for the sake of argument lets agree that the VPOAA applies to your Association.

When you posted Title 2, Chapter 13, I think you mistyped as Title 13, Chapter 2 is the VA non-stock corporation act.

So if the CC&R provides specific guidance does Section 55-515.3 still prevail?

As I stated in my earlier posts, if it is your CC&Rs that specify delivery by mail or in person then the CC&Rs would control. However, if it is your Bylaws that specify the delivery method VA law would prevail.

I do not have access to your documents. Therefore, you are the person that must verify which document says what.

The amendment of the Declaration shal be effective when the certificate and copy of the amendment was recorded." It doesn't look like the Association has filed any ARC guideline changes (or CC&R changes) with the county after the first ten years. This may be another issue.

Again there is a difference between an amendment to the CC&Rs and the passing of a Resolution. Either one can add conditions or restrictions to a homeowner. If there is a conflict between a Resolution and the CC&Rs, the CC&Rs will control.

Remember that it has to be an actual conflict and not just an addition or clarification.

Again, I do not have access to your documents. Therefore, you are the person who must verify what the documents say.

Am I correct that 55-515.1 (A0 only applies to the mortgage holders and not the members?

Yes and no. Items A-C speak to any requirement of mortgage holders. Items D-F speaks to any amendments of the Declaration. NOTE: Item D defers control to the Declaration unless the declaration is silent.

I bet if I file an ARC application to install one I'll be turned down because it has a metal post.

Had you filed it prior to the change in guidelines, it may or may not have been approved. This is because when guidelines and past practice are silent, the approving authority may use it's discretion (i.e. their personal taste and opinion). Since you stated that your guidelines now address the mailbox post, I would expect the approving authority to follow the guidelines.

I have a meeting set up for next week, I'll report back what happens.

What is the meeting about (i.e. the specific topic)?

I would suggest sticking to only one or two issues vs. trying to address a lot of issues at one time.

I did find a prior resolution which states that electronic notice can not be used to serve notice until a member has provided written approval for the Association to use it.

Well, based on this comment, it sounds like the Board has covered themselves by using the website for some members - providing that they mail info/notices to others. This is because an individual member is basically requesting the info be delivered by electronic means.

Without having access to your website, I do not know what a person is agreeing to or how they are gaining access. I suspect that there might be language contained on the page you submit your e-mail address on that specifies that by providing an e-mail address you are agreeing to receive info via e-mail.

Tim
RgV (Virginia)
Posts: 9
Posted:
The Boaard agreed that the new ARB guidelines should only apply on a going forward basis to the extent there are new items not previously covered. Does anyone have any resolution wording which addressed grandfathering of existing conditions when the ARB guidelines are modified?

This resolves a major issue with the Board's action. Hopefully this also indicates a willingness on the part of the Board to work these issues out amicably.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
RgV,

This is the wording we used when we amended our documents:

"Grandfather Clause Any design change (past, present or future) to a Lot located within the [name of Association/Development] that was approved, in writing, or identified as being in compliance on any past, current or future disclosure packet properly issued under the Virginia Property Owners' Act, is hereby considered in compliance with current or future Architectural Guidelines providing the item identified in the design change or as reported on a Disclosure Statement is kept in proper repair and appearance and if replaced, the replacement must adhere to the current guidelines adopted and in force by the Association at the time of replacement."

To word it another way, if it's in writing the the item was approved or if the Association failed to identify it as non-compliant on a disclosure package, the item is grandfathered until it wears out. It can not be replaced without complying with the guidelines that are currently being used when the item is replaced.

Hope it helps,

Tim

BTW - the membership overwhelmingly approved it.

RgV (Virginia)
Posts: 9
Posted:
Thanks. It's interesting that you indicate it was approved by the members. Our Board is taking the position that it can impose new ARB Guidelines without membership consent, despite the CC&R containing a section listing ARB guidelines and requiring amendments need member approval. See my other post, I'm not skilled enoughnto provide link. They propose a Board resolution to incorporate the grandfathering provision.

Also the old guidelines said certain changes did not require ARB approval or were silent to a action which would leave you to believe that it didn't require approval. The new guidelines say all changes require ARB approval unless specifically indicated that they do not. Many of the items that previously said no approval required, now require approval. In addition, there are new items that are not structural in nature that now require ARB approval (e.g., where your house numbers must be located and prohibitions against numbers in any other location). I'm going to they a modify your wording to reflect that a new requirement will only be imposed on a forward looking basis.

Any thoughts?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
RgV,

That language is from an amendment to our bylaws. The problem with having a board pass a resolution with the wording in it is that the next board, or future board, can amend or abolish the resolution thereby doing away with the grandfathering.

You are certainly welcome to modify the language as you see fit.

Tim

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