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JudiK1 (Florida)
Posts: 9
Posted:
Located in Tampa Fl and governed by FL Statute 718, I have the following question:
Can the HOA (CONDOMINIUM BOARD) pass a policy to prohibit non-resident owners who lease their units that NO Pets are allowed. Owners now, can have pets of a certain size and weight. However, with the downturn in real estate in FL, many owners chose to leave their condos and lease them. For those non-resident owners, on a prospective basis, may the BOD pass a rule that no pets for non-resident owners are allowed.
Thank you.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
What is their rationale for prohibiting renters from having pets?
JudiK1 (Florida)
Posts: 9
Posted:
To control the pet population, flees, wear and tear on carpet, noise and respectful of those who do not have pets.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Judith,

Are you saying that only renters pets make noise and wear and tear the carpets? If your documents are allowed to have pets, then that means that everyone can have pets. Renters are residents of the community and as long as they are following the rules on size and noise control, you cannot single them out. OWNERS are responsible for the unit and if a renter is causing problems, it is up to the owner to comply to the rules, be it by removing the tenant or taking whatever steps are needed to follow the rules.
LoriL1 (Florida)
Posts: 78
Posted:
I would suggest you check your governing documents. Ours state that all rules must apply equally to all lawful residents without discriminating on the basis of whether a home is occupied by a homeowner or his/her lessee. If I’m not mistaken, this is in accordance with 718.
JudiK1 (Florida)
Posts: 9
Posted:
Donna,
My name is Judi, not Judith.
And no I was not saying those who lease with pets are the only ones who make noise and wear and tear on carpets. Absolutely not. What I was saying is the pet population has gotten out of control. We now have fleas, and in the 16 yrs I have lived in the bldg, we have never had fleas. We have had realtors tell us that we are the only condo complex on our beautiful bayshore dr that allows those who lease to bring pets into the bldg. Consequently all those units who lease, now bring pets. We were looking for an equitable way to manage the pet population and keep all the owners happy. No bias, just looking for solutions.
Removing a tenant in FLORIDA is nearly impossible and prohibitively expensive.
Thanks Donna.
JudiK1 (Florida)
Posts: 9
Posted:
Thanks Lori, will do. 718 does address the tenant and use of the common area, but we are trying to address the non-resident owners. We had an issue during the real estate boom where condo units were being bought up for rental purposes only. As a result, we changed the condo docs, via a vote of the ownership, to restrict any new owner from leasing his/her place for the first 2 years of ownership. It passed overwhelmingly and worked until the bubble burst. Always new challenges in community living.
LoriL1 (Florida)
Posts: 78
Posted:
Our condos are over 30% rentals, so I know where you're coming from, but if I understand correctly, even though you're trying to address "non-resident" owners, you are basically still restricting their TENANT'S right to have a pet. So is it okay for resident owners who have tenants to allow pets? None of our homeowners that lease their unit live here...they're all non-resident owners.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi Judi:

I believe what Donna was getting across is the fact that each unit has a viable “owner”. Now whether your association allows rental of said unit is potentially up to your governing documents. However, pertaining to the unit and rights of those within the unit must in essence be applied equally to all "owners".

Apparently according to your statements the allowing of pets applies to all units and it is then up to each “owner” who may rent their unit to allow pets within said unit. If you now have fleas does not necessarily mean that they came from an individual who is renting, they instead could have come from an owner's pet.

If you want to control pet population then you need to potentially have all homeowners agree to either X number of pets per unit OR not allow pets at all. However, keep in mind if you no longer allow pets in your association you will reduce the pool of potential buyers when homeowners sell the properties. I own pets and therefore that would be one of the first questions asked, and if no pets are allowed I would purchase somewhere else.

DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:


Judi,

Sorry about the name mistake, it was not intentional and I read it without my glasses on. I read in your second post that you used the word noise which is why I asked why only tenants would be guilty of their pets making noise.

Your post.."To control the pet population, flees, wear and tear on carpet, noise and respectful of those who do not have pets."

Tes, removing tenants is nearly impossible in Florida. The State has a handbook for tenants and landlord rights and controling a pet within a unit is not listed as a valid reason for eviction.s

JudiK1 (Florida)
Posts: 9
Posted:
NO-to your question. By definition a non-resident owner is an owner who does not live in the bldg. It does not have to do with their residency such as Canada or Italy or Florida. That term was probably confusing so my apology. I should have said, owners who do not live in the bldg and lease their units. As indicated, we have restricted owners in the past, such as those who purchased their units after Aug 31, 2009 cannot lease their units for the first 2 years of ownership. The leased unit approach is only a suggestion of how to manage the pet population, but your answer maybe a better one. Our association thinks that owners who live in the bldg with pets have a vested interest in taking care of their units and the common areas more so than those that lease. So that is why we went the lease unit approach. IT is still under discussion and I will update all of you. I appreciate your input as it is difficult everywhere, but the coastal states as Case-Shiller indices have shown, suffered the worst in the real estate downturn.

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