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JamesB15 (Florida)
Posts: 87
Posted:
ARTICLE II. PROPERTY RIGHTS.

Section 1. Owners' Easements of Enjoyment. Every owner shall have a right

and easement of enjoyment in and to the Common Area which shall be appurtenant to

and shall pass with the ownership interest in every lot, subject to the following

provisions

(a) The right of the Association to dedicate or transfer all or any part of the

Common Area to any public agency, authority or utility, for such purposes and subject

to such conditions as may be agreed to by the members. No such dedication or

transfer shall be effectlve unless an instrument signed by two-thirds of each class of

members agreeing to such dedication or transfer has been recorded.

(b) The right of the Association to charge reasonable admission and other

fees for the use of any recreational facilities situation upon the Common Area.

(c) The right of the Association to suspend the voting rights and the right to

the use of the recreational facilities by an Owner for any period during which any

assessment against his Lot remains unpaid; and fm a period not to exceed sixty days

for any infraction of its published rules and regulations,

Section 2, Delegation of Use, Any Owner may delegate, in accordance with

the By-Laws !lis right of enjoyment to the Common Area and facilities to the members

of his family, his tenants or contract purchasers who reside on the property.

I am attaching the Article in question and hope someone can shed some light on it for me. It is under Property Rights. Article 2 Section 1 (b) The right of the Association to charge admission to common areas seems to be in conflict with (a) (c) and for that matter the whole set of documents. Our BOD has taken it to mean they can charge members fees without a notification, discussion,or vote.. Our BOD did not vote on it as it is not in the minutes of any meeting. It came from a pool committee. Our dues are $14 per month/$168 a year. The pool fee is $50 per member family. This is the 2nd year for the usage fee. In both of the years our BOD has not increased Association dues by the 3% allowable in our Covenants or had a Special Assessment. They have chosen to sock it to the swimmers as most of them are renters. There are no charges for use of the boat ramp and dock, clubhouse, or compound. The fee is only for swimmers and non swimming members are not assessed. If you do not pay the $50 fee you may not enter the pool area. They have not had an interpetation from the their lawyer as I have asked them to do. I am getting an opinion from a HOA lawyer. Please guide me if you can. Thanks
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi James:

Declaration can state anything; however, no matter what the governing documents say … the State statutes supersede unless state statute dictates otherwise. The following is for an HOA … if you are a condo let me know.

LOL … ask them how when you do not pay a “pool” fee they intend to deny you entering “common area” property for which you pay assessments and which you OWN proportional share of said property.

720.301Definitions.—As used in this chapter, the term:

 (1) “Assessment” or “amenity fee” means a sum or sums of money payable to the association, to the developer or other owner of common areas, or to recreational facilities and other properties serving the parcels by the owners of one or more parcels as authorized in the governing documents, which if not paid by the owner of a parcel, can result in a lien against the parcel.

 720.308Assessments and charges.—

 (1)ASSESSMENTS. — For any community created after October 1, 1995, the governing documents must describe the manner in which expenses are shared and specify the member’s proportional share thereof.
 (a)Assessments levied pursuant to the annual budget or special assessment must be in the member’s proportional share of expenses as described in the governing document, which share may be different among classes of parcels based upon the state of development thereof, levels of services received by the applicable members, or other relevant factors.

 720.303 Association powers and duties; meetings of board; official records; budgets; financial reporting; association funds; recalls.—

 2. An assessment may not be levied at a board meeting unless the notice of the meeting includes a statement that assessments will be considered and the nature of the assessments. Written notice of any meeting at which special assessments will be considered or at which amendments to rules regarding parcel use will be considered must be mailed, delivered, or electronically transmitted to the members and parcel owners and posted conspicuously on the property or broadcast on closed-circuit cable television not less than 14 days before the meeting.

 720.303Association powers and duties; meetings of board; official records; budgets; financial reporting; association funds; recalls.—

 6)BUDGETS.—

 (a)The association shall prepare an annual budget that sets out the annual operating expenses. The budget must reflect the estimated revenues and expenses for that year and the estimated surplus or deficit as of the end of the current year. The budget must set out separately all fees or charges paid for by the association for recreational amenities, whether owned by the association, the developer, or another person. The association shall provide each member with a copy of the annual budget or a written notice that a copy of the budget is available upon request at no charge to the member. The copy must be provided to the member within the time limits set forth in subsection (5).

JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Also, first part of (c) is not valid unless the homeowner is more than 90 days in arrears on payment of assessments per FL HOA State statutes.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
How on earth are they maintaining all this area per your statement below, plus pool previously mentioned:
"There are no charges for use of the boat ramp and dock, clubhouse, or compound."

On only:
"Our dues are $14 per month/$168 a year."

I would recommend you request a copy of financial information and make sure they have a proper reserve account. You do not want to potentially get hit with a large assessment to fix something, due to not having a reserve account built up for future repairs. Also, does the association have proper insurance?

Many of the HOA’s in my area only have small grass park areas to maintain plus pay for irrigation, insurance, etc.; however, most assessments are $200 to $250 per year.

JamesB15 (Florida)
Posts: 87
Posted:
Thank you for you reply Janet. this is a trailer park with 168 members. Members own their lots.The reserve fund has been depleted by lawsuits. If we had just added the automatic 3% each year we would be fine. It is amazing to me that I am the only owner who objects enough to do anything. It is cheaper to pay the fee than hire a lawyer. If you are single the fee is $35 and a family $50, two different fees for members? Board members who watch over the pool swim for free. Do you think they will have to refund fees to members if fees are illegal? The president wrote me saying this is to recover repair bills.
JamesB15 (Florida)
Posts: 87
Posted:
Does anyone agree that our board has a right to charge members for access to pool etc?
b) The right of the Association to charge reasonable admission and other

fees for the use of any recreational facilities situation upon the Common Area.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
The land is the common area, owned by the HOA.

The "facility" may be an amenity that has costs associated with it.

The board may feel that instead of raising ALL dues, those who use the amenity can pay the costs to run it.

Your dues are real low for what your HOA runs.

JamesB15 (Florida)
Posts: 87
Posted:
Thank you Susan. I agree that dues are low and user fees look ok at first. It does have unintended consequences. Many parents today will not pay $50 for their children to do anything.If someone has a grandchild come by for the day they need to pay $50.Many are on SS. The members who run the pool swim free. How many others? What if they raise it tomorrow or add it to the boat ramp. If the dues had been raised $.50 last year and this year it would have raised more cash than the fee.I don't swim am I allowed to go to the pool and relax, read, or whatever? On the surface it is an ok idea but what I'm trying to understand is-Is it legal and will I win when the goes in front of mediator? Thanks again
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
$50 a year = about 14 cents per day.

You could ask the board how they arrrived at THAT figure. Maybe they could develop a "senior rate" or "family rate."

Can't tell you if it's "legal" but I don't think you are going to get very far in the legal system.

JamesB15 (Florida)
Posts: 87
Posted:
Susan I have no idea what your saying but with over 4000 posts I'm sure you've picked up a few things about the law. I have 12 units so that's $1200 I've shelled out since May 6,2010 for use of something I already own 12 shares of. Boards seem to be made up of people who can't get out of their own way. They don't know how to do anything so they pay too much for everything and pretty soon dues are $200 a month. I asked the pres to call our attorney and get his opinion but he balked as he is smarter than our attorney. I will ask our board nothing more as Fl.720 laws above give me protection from over zealous BOD members. so I'll stay the course. GO BUCKEYES
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi James:

What some boards may not stop to think about is that the State Statutes are always changing; therefore, they potentially should consider this aspect and either properly review themselves or grant your request for the attorney to review.

I would recommend you first send a “Certified Return Receipt” letter all the board members with your request and reasons why you think the issue is incorrect. This way you will have proof that you have made a proper request and if they deny, then you will have that in writing. Also, when they get a CCR letter they should then know someone is tracking and serious. Before potentially going to mediation or attorney it is better to have documentation that you have made good faith effort to get proper answers and resolve the issue.

SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
If it were me? I would just raise everyone's dues $50 to cover the cost of the pool. No per user fee.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Our community has a clubhouse. The dues take care of it, but the members are still charged a "user fee" if they want to rent it. Why? Because there are extraordinary costs when it gets used - like paying the entry and exit person, cleanup and paperwork involved.

I wonder if there is a lifeguard or some other extra cost we are not hearing about in this situation.

But, yes, for the beach to be singled out for user fees is unusual.

JamesB15 (Florida)
Posts: 87
Posted:
Hi Susan, Our community is a poor man's Associaton that is well kept up. We have a nice clean park but not at all fancy. The park has been here since 1972. The dues started at $10 and are now only $14. Our little clubhouse is 1800 square feet and can be used with a $25 returnable deposit. the pool is a beautiful 50,000 gallon family attraction. Boat ramp can handle 30ft boats and we are about 7 miles from the Gulf of Mexico and the best Red Snapper Fishing in the world. Many of us worked hard for free to build this up and we are now attracting fisherman from a number of close by states. You can get a nice trailer and lot with little to no taxes and $168 a year ass. fee for around $30,000. I know may of you see such a small amount and think why bother. There is a system in place that is out in the open. If the we need cash let them make the case and all of us can decide. thanks again
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Susan … keep in mind some states differ in that dues or “fees” that can be charged are only those that could potentially result in a lien against the property. This is because everyone in the HOA has a vested interest in all common area property and is responsible equally for maintaining said common area.

Now if someone wanted to have a “personal private” party in the clubhouse, then absolutely there should be some type of “rental” fee. After all at this time the clubhouse would potentially be closed to anyone except for the individual who rented and their guests. Members then understand the closure periodically will help reduce the overall HOA fees for everyone if rented.

I have to agree with Steve. Everyone should be treated equally with regards to common property as they each own a vested interest in said property. With the low cost of the HOA fees the OP has stated … if everyone paid the $50, then the extra money would help potentially build the reserve fund.

I track a few properties in my family’s “trust” and which are in HOA’s in various states. The last property acquired is an HOA in which there are two pools, two Jacuzzi’s, and clubhouse. The monthly fee is $60/mo. However, this also includes trash pickup, street sweeping, property management company fees, insurance, etc.

James … I am still having a difficult time understanding how the HOA is getting by with the fee currently being charged and have a proper reserve fund for future large expenditures.

JamesB15 (Florida)
Posts: 87
Posted:
Janet you are rigt there is no reserve fund. We currently have less than 6thousand and 4thousand would have to be returned if they lose the pool fee and the lawyer fees would take them in the hole. In the last 4 years the BOD as lost 13,000 in lawsuits and now have a $10,000 deductable on insurance. In spite of that most members are pleased with the work that was being done. A few of us have rebuilt the place not charging labor. we could pass an assessment but the BOD is so lazy most don't show up for meetings. we can't kick them off the board as one controls 30 units.

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