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BarbaraP1 (Texas)
Posts: 3
Posted:
We are a fairly new H.O.A. of individual homes. We now find that some of the owners did not build within the setbacks listed in the covenants. The newly formed compliance board has been commissioned by the board of directors to come up with a fine schedule for these past violations. Some are more than 2 years old.

My question is; can we fine these homeowners even though there was no fine schedule at the time of the violations, and also; can we set a higher fee for future violations to prevent more from happening?
CharlesW1 (Georgia)
Posts: 826
Posted:
BarbaraP1,

You should receive some very good advice from many of the people that post and respond to the questions and concerns of members of HOAs, like yourself.

I’m learn as I’m sure you are, but I would suggest, yes establishing a fine procedure for future violations but as far as fining previous violators. That wouldn’t be a very wise decision. I would make it very clear to the entire community that if you are found in violation then you will be subjected to any and all fines.

Read some previously written posts for additional help on this subject may help.

It wouldn’t be right of you, your committee or the board to fine someone for something that wasn’t even a violation at the time!

I’ll be reading along as you will receive some really good advice.

Best of luck
Chuck W.

Charles E. Wafer Jr.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Barbara, when those houses were built the plans should have been approved by the builder or the homeowners' architectural committee. After two years it is too late to try to fine those properties if they did not get approval. In the future make sure plans are approved prior to beginning construction. Your association should establish Rules and Regulations on Enforcement of Covenants and Rules which should include a fine schedule. This should be distributed to all owners. No owner should ever be fined prior to having the opportunity for a Hearing.
HaroldS (Arizona)
Posts: 906
Posted:
I can't beleive you are trying to go back two years and fine someone for something that cannot be easily corrected. What are you going to do - keep fining them until they tear down the structure and rebuild to your specifications? The city or SOMEONE approved those plans when the homes were built. Get real and go forward. You should have enough to keep you busy with current problems without going back two years looking for more. Harold
BarbaraP1 (Texas)
Posts: 3
Posted:
There was no approval of plans as there is 1. No zoning in our town, and 2. The board, which was new at that time had no clue as how to deal with the problem even though they were aware at the time the violations were occuring.

This new board wants to punish the offenders even though I feel the original board was partially responsible for letting it happen, and should let it go and move on. The board still hasn't been able to agree on fines for future violations, so we are wide open to more problems.

As home approach values of $500,000 and more ( we are all waterfront), the owners want some kind of resolution as it may keep them from selling with a blemish of being in non-compliant on their title.

Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated by me as chairman of the newly formed Compliance Committee.

Barbara

HaroldS (Arizona)
Posts: 906
Posted:
This new board wants to punish the offenders>>> How nice. And generate some revenue I suppose? You still haven't answered what your board expects these owners to do - other than pay fines. And I don't agree with you that the previous board was partly to blame. Without local zoning or building laws, it was their total responsibility to monitor your regulations, which they didn't. Especially since the previous board "knew" these homes were in violation, and by their very inaction created and tacitly approved these variances. Your new board cannot go back and slap fines on these homes two years later because of the inaction of your previous board(s). I would suspect if your board continues to pursue this line it will be looking at some hefty lawsuits.
Check previous threads on here about new boards trying to reverse things previous boards approved (and your previous boards DID approve these variances by their inaction.) Harold
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
i doubt that the constitutional right we have against ex post facto laws actually applies here in an HOA, but i think the "new" board should tread very carefully here.

The previous board was 100% responsible/accountable/culpable for the problem. they allowed the owners to build illegally. to come along now, and say "we were wrong, so sorry, fork over some cash" is a bad idea. Simply grandfather these homes in, and move on.

Looking forward, the board should not have a "fine" for something permanent (like harold asks, what is the option?), they should have fines for fixable items (weeds, trash cans, signs, paint), and a permit system for permanent ones (structures, set backs, etc.). If someone builds a permanent one after DISREGARDING an order not to, then too bad, so sad, take it down. I cannot see fining someone $20 a month for their home being too close to a wall, etc., when it wasn't told to them that it wasn't acceptable.
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Barbara:

Wow...I think the new board needs to check its attitude at the door. I agree with everyone else here and how on earth do you expect to fine these people for something that is the direct responsibility of ignorance and negligence by the previous board. I wouldn't touch that one with rubber boots and a 100 foot pole. What do you want them to do, tear it down...pay the fine? The job of an HOA board to create harmony, sometimes that means working with homeowners.

I think you have gotten great advice on here from others, my advice would be to leave it alone.
RonaldW (South Carolina)
Posts: 901
Posted:
Posted By RogerB on 12/15/2006 10:47 AM

Barbara, when those houses were built the plans should have been approved by the builder or the homeowners' architectural committee. After two years it is too late to try to fine those properties if they did not get approval. In the future make sure plans are approved prior to beginning construction. Your association should establish Rules and Regulations on Enforcement of Covenants and Rules which should include a fine schedule. This should be distributed to all owners. No owner should ever be fined prior to having the opportunity for a Hearing.


I agree.


Ron
SC

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