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JenniferM9 (California)
Posts: 42
Posted:
Hello,

I just received word that one of our residents has put animal traps in his backyard. Some residents are concerned that a cat may accidentally go in one. I know our Association doesn't have a rule about animal traps because it's never come up.

Is this something the board should be aware of/approve, or at the very least warn the residents about? The neighbor who put out the traps has been very vocal about hating animals and was even trying to figure out a way to get rid of squirrels even though there has never been any problems at all with any wildlife in this suburban neighborhood.

I would think the resident should have to inform neighbors of what the purpose of the traps is and what he intends to do if an animal is caught.

I'm guessing there is nothing the board can do, other than hope nothing ever gets trapped?

Thanks for your feedback/suggestions.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
If you know for a fact (vs. rumor/word of mouth) contact the humane society in your city and tell them about the traps and tell them you are concerned about cats, etc. and see what they say. They may investigate it.

If you are only getting this information by rumor or word of mouth, I would not act on it as you have ZERO proof. If you desire, tell the person who told you to contact the humane society providing that they have actual proof.

CAUTION: I do not advise trying to get proof through trespassing or even taking photos of something in an enclosed back yard. This could cause you problems you do not want to deal with.

Tim
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi Jennifer:

In many cities it is potentially illegal for homeowners to allow even their cats to roam freely; therefore, I would first call your local humane society and insure exactly what are the local regulations. Also ask about any regulations for trapping any animals. In one community I lived the trap could only be placed late in the evening and any trapped animals had to be taken to the shelter early the next morning. It was illegal to trap an animal during the day and have it caged during the heat of the daytime hours.

After you check on the regulations I would suggest maybe knocking on the door and asking the homeowner. If they say yes they are trapping ... let them know that neighbors have voiced concerns and you wanted to insure that they are aware of the regulations for said activity and are properly following any regulations. Let them know you are performing a courteous visit to hopefully avoid having someone else get the humane society involved.

I have a number of pets and I love animals, but those who own animals have a responsibility in potentially not allowing their pets to roam freely and cause problems for others. I also would prefer if someone thought one of my animals was being a nuisance that they at least ask me first prior to notifying authorities. This is because anytime someone thought it was mine … it actually was another neighbors.

JenniferM9 (California)
Posts: 42
Posted:
Thank you Tim and Janet for your thoughtful answers. What is interesting in this situation is that there are many shared fences and cats and other animals (rarely) pay a visit to someone's back yard but they don't stay and they certainly are not a threat. This HOA has allowed cats outside for over 20 years and has never had a problem with other animals. It's just that new people who are animal paranoid have moved in.

We live in a small complex where everyone has always gotten along and there have been no problems. All of the sudden someone moves in from an apartment environment and has problems with a situation they knew existed before they moved in and starts complaining. Odd.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Sometimes just a casual discussion can royally help smooth things over. If the neighbor is outside maybe someone should stop by for a conversation and happen to be carrying their cat. The individual over time will possibly become less animal paranoid as they are gently exposed to the various pets.

LOL … my husband is very allergic to cats, but a previous neighbor had two cats and one liked to hang out at our place. Initially he would glare at the cat, but over time and just before we moved he was about ready to adopt and bring the cat along. In essence the cat had great personality and eventually won him over.

A little time and patience can go along way.

PeterD3 (Florida)
Posts: 708
Posted:
I would argue that a person has the right to trap any animal which strays onto his/her property.

What is done with/to ANY animal after it is caught is another matter and must be in line with animal cruelty or endangered species protocols.

I agree with those who have said it is the responsibility of the owner to look out for their pet and not let it roam.

It could just as esily be struck by a vehicle or killed by another animal.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
This may be an illegal situation not only in the HOA but within the county/city your live in. Plus if this is Common property, the HOA could be on hook for any accidents.

People are overlooking the fact that it is NOT about the animals being trapped as much as it is a danger to CHILDREN or persons. It's like putting a loaded shotgun in your backyard with a string on the trigger. It's purpose might be to kill animlas but does a shotgun unmanned differientate?

This is a risky situation that needs addressed ASAP. The owner should at minumum post a warning about animal traps being in use on their property just to protect themselves. They don't want a claim on their homeowner's insurance for this. It's NOT the brightest of ideas.

I once put dog/cat repellent down in our common area. It's just a granullar substance that you spread with a spreader. You can get it at Kmart/Walmart/Lowes/Home Depot for like $20. It's good for a few weeks if you don't lay it before a rain. It's more humane method but does smell. I got into huge trouble with some owner's because it bothered their sinuses. However, it may be a solution better than dangerous animal traps to discuss with the owner. Otherwise, get the law involved on this one it's outside the HOA's scope. Afterwards, have the BOARD vote at a meeting about trapping to ban it.

Former HOA President
PeterD3 (Florida)
Posts: 708
Posted:
It's not illegal to trap in California.

The waste (feces) left by unwanted animals is extremely dangerous and can carry many diseases.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
There's different kind of trapping. It's okay for "Billy the Exterminator" to trap animals that are considered "Pests". It's okay for a Fur trapper to trap. However, some common sense God gave a Billy Goat, should tell you that you don't put animal traps in your yard without notification or acknowlegement. Especially if that property is considered "Common".

They sell mouse traps at the grocery store...doesn't mean I should set them up in my yard..THINK people...A little prevention can prevent stupid...

Former HOA President
PeterD3 (Florida)
Posts: 708
Posted:
Melissa,

I appreciate your passion but not your resorting to judging my common sense quotion by comparing it to livestock.

Not everybody thinks like you or sees the dire consequences to removing pests from their property with traps.

Try to be more respectful of those who do not agree with you.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:

Hi Melissa:

Most traps allowed in a city center (other than potentially mouse traps) are generally cages which capture an animal. The individual then takes the captured animal to the local animal shelter to be dealt with appropriately. If it is a domestic animal they keep and allow owner to claim or try to adopt following their guidelines. If it is a wild animal such as possibly a skunk, squirrel, etc. they generally take them out of the city limits and release back into the wild.

I just want to make sure you understand that more than likely they are not in essence traps which could harm the animal or possibly a child. I think that might be where your passion on the issue has arisen.

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
We've setup traps in our HOA to trap ferrel cats. So I am familiar with trappings of wild animals and such. Even suggested where best to put those traps. So I am NOT against trapping at all. However, I am against an owner putting out traps in their yard without notification to the HOA or general public.

We don't know if this is COMMON property, fenced in area, type of trap, or warning signs posted. These are important factors when an individual unpaid/unlicensed person puts out traps in the open. Most traps for varmit extinction (except for indoor mouse traps etc...) are done by paid contractors who know what they are doing and know how to set up traps properly.

My biggest concern is the liability and the accidental trapping of domestic animals/people. You can't possibly control your pet or kid's 100% of the time. Like I stated before... A trap is like a unmanned loaded shotgun set to go off without knowledge of what it's shooting at. What excuse are you going to make when it's your kid or pet that gets hurt because of this? Well the owner has the right to keep dangerous traps in the open in their common area, so it was the pet owner's or parents fault...??? Keep me posted when that happens and the legal costs that follow...

Former HOA President
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi Melissa:

Most areas allow trapping of animals on your private property. The original poster stated the individual was placing the traps in his backyard. Not sure what you are referencing in harming children or animals in that most traps within a city area are potentially incapable of such harm. I am having a hard time understanding what you are referencing as “dangerous traps”.

Also, there has been absolutely no mention of traps within any common area. In most areas I have lived here in the “wild west” we generally take care of business ourselves and do not in essence hire exterminators/trappers, but instead handle the situation following our proper laws and procedures. In many instances this is picking up a proper cage/trap from the local animal shelter and who in turn picks up the properly trapped animal the next day.

JenniferM9 (California)
Posts: 42
Posted:
Hi Everyone,

Thank you so much for taking the time to reply to this interesting topic. It turns out the person in question is trying to trap grey tree squirrels which actually requires obtaining a permit from the CA Dept. of Fish and Game.

This person would have to prove the squirrels are causing enough damage to warrant being trapped and removed. Squirrels around here don't cause any damage, and the presence of a huge oak tree on the property provides them with plenty of acorns.

The only thing squirrels are guilty of around here is running along the fence lines!

In this instance, the homeowner probably should have gone to the Board because what he was trying to do is not legal and since he only has a small back yard with no crops or fruit trees, he would have a difficult time getting a permit!

As I mentioned before, this person genuinely does not like animals and in reality would have been better off buying a condo in an enclosed building with no wild life in the area...sigh..

Thanks again for all of the replies, they are much appreciated!

~Jennifer

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