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SteveH19 (Arizona)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Our HOA Board has made it a practice to distribute regular board meeting minutes to residents within three days following the meeting. Our HOA attorney says we ought not distribute the minutes, even in draft form until the board has approved them. I think I would prefer a timely distribution of the "draft" minutes to the residents but the downside is that it invites residents to modify the minutes during the "changes/additions" portion of the meeting. I'm getting varied opinions regarding resident comments as part of the approval of board minutes.

Any feedback will be welcomed,
SteveH
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
It is your HOA. Run it the way you want to run it. That's what it is there for. If everyone seems comfortable with the current system for the most part, then keep it. If it needs changing, then change it. It isn't the Attorney's HOA to run. Good for them to have an opinion but if it's NOT the HOA's then why change it?

Former HOA President
SteveH19 (Arizona)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Melissa,

Thanks for the quick response. As a new board member and president I'm trying to follow all the rules. Too many really. Just not convinced that common sense is a player these days. Regardless your advice does offer an easy way out.

SteveH
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
A HOA is just that. It is funded by it's members for it's members. It is also run by it's members for it's members. This gets lost ALOT in the forrest of running a HOA. I consider a HOA a homeowner's club of which ONLY the owner's can join. If you have ever belonged to a club, then you know each one sets up it's own rules and regulations to run it by.

The answers you seek is always in your CC&R's, By-laws, ACC, or articles of incorporation. Always bring a copy with you to a meeting. Don't ever give an answer until you have referred to the "rule book". Knowing your documentation is half the battle. The documents of the HOA are living and breathing documents that can be modified by majority vote. Know the difference between a By-law change and a CC&R change and you are good! (A By-law change is the rules of the household. The CC&R's are the rules of the land).

Former HOA President
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
If you are looking for that much input from "residents" - as opposed to board members - as to the accuracy of the minutes, then go ahead BUT be sure you put a very big NON APPROVED DRAFT notice at the top of the paper.

The minutes are the official document of your corporation. Only when they have been approved do they stand as official.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Steve,
It is not the responsibility of members of the community to approve or disapprove minutes prior to them being approved and adopted by the Board. That is the Board's job. The community should NOT get the draft, the reason is because it is a draft. The attorney told you not to send them out, you pay him for advice so why ignore his sound advice.

I am Secretary of my M.G organization or 271 members. Yikes, waiting to get additions and or corrections on my draft minutes would cause a nightmare if I had to sort thru members input. It's not their job, it's mine to write the minutes correctly.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Steve in addition to your CC&R's don't forget about state HOA laws which are fairly restrictive in AZ but in states without HOA laws, the HOA's need to also follow the laws for non-profit corporations. Also the minutes should just reflect the actions of the Board, not be a verbatim transcript of who said what. If in doubt, go on your city or county website and read how they do minutes.

P.S. What Donna said, why pay an attorney for his advice if you are going to ignore it?

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
JeanneK3 (Maryland)
Posts: 562
Posted:
I think ignoring an attorney's advice just shows the board has the responsibility for good judgment and is using it. You never go wrong in keeping the community informed as soon as possible but everyone must understand the board has final approval. The attorney is just trying to make his job easier.
Jeanne
JonD1
Posts: 2,350
Posted:
So you make copies of a un-approved document and then you send them out. And then you make copies of a approved set of minutes and mail them out???

And this is the name of keeping the owners informed?

Sounds like to much work and what about the cost?

In order for the minutes to be official they need to be approved. That cannot be done before the next meeting. Why would you wish to now have two sets of minutes that might conflict with each other?

The lawyer based his opinion on his knowledge of Board operations and possible issues with minutes not yet approved by the Board as a new person holding this position I would tend to lean their way unless there was good reason to go against their judgment. IMO in this case there is not.

When the approved mimutes are available you will get them. That's the final product.

DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Aww, common Jeannie.

"I think ignoring an attorney's advice just shows the board has the responsibility for good judgment and is using it. You never go wrong in keeping the community informed as soon as possible but everyone must understand the board has final approval. The attorney is just trying to make his job easier.
Jeanne "

So good judgement is to hire an attorney, pay an attorney and then when he gives really basic advice(which to me was using common sense rather than his legal expertise) shows that the Board is being responsible? Really?

SteveH19 (Arizona)
Posts: 6
Posted:
I really do appreciate all the feedback but since the opinions are nearly as varied as the total number of responses maybe I could ask one more question. Who, among those responding actually wait until after the board approves the minutes before distribution to residents. Or maybe you don't distribute them?

SteveH
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Steve,

Basic Roberts Rules and Parlimentary procedures will say the same thing. Minutes need to be approved before being posted, mailed or shared with other than Board members. We learned this in Jr. High school business classes.

Ours go onto our website and in the monthly newsletter. They are not mailed to individual owners except to those on the short list of members who do not own computers. They get written copy.
JamesG (Connecticut)
Posts: 83
Posted:
Our minutes are distributed to the owners by email only after they have been approved by the directors at the next board meeting. Those owners without email do not receive the minutes, but they know how to get a copy if they want it. They are also posted on our web site in a secure area requiring owner login.

If an owner makes a special request for an advance copy of the minutes, we do provide a hard copy clearly labeled DRAFT as a watermark.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Your attorney is right. You don't want unapproved draft minutes floating around your HOA. It' s possible that there might be a major error in the draft minutes that could really get the rumor mill spinning. This is never good for HOAs.

CA Cv. Code gives access to copies of the approved minutes to H/O's. OR to draft minutes 30 days after the relevant board meeting. We meet once a month, so members usually have access in about 30-32 days. Our GM posts our minutes on our password protected web site once the board approves them.

Another poster makes the important point that minutes should record what was done, not what was said.

Board member, 4 years. Pres. now for 6 months.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi Steve:

The minutes are not "official" until approved. Therefore, why send them out so members can potentially get in an uproar because of possible error in unapproved minutes received by a member. I would follow your attorney's advice. Another example would be if you check your local city website you will find they do not post meeting minutes until properly approved.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By SteveH19 on 04/16/2011 9:20 PM
Our HOA Board has made it a practice to distribute regular board meeting minutes to residents within three days following the meeting. Our HOA attorney says we ought not distribute the minutes, even in draft form until the board has approved them. I think I would prefer a timely distribution of the "draft" minutes to the residents but the downside is that it invites residents to modify the minutes during the "changes/additions" portion of the meeting. I'm getting varied opinions regarding resident comments as part of the approval of board minutes.

Any feedback will be welcomed,
SteveH

IMO this is an example of when an attorney is not needed. What would you expect an attorney to opine other than to play it safe?

I like your procedure of promptly having minutes available after each Board meeting. We post a labeled DRAFT of the minutes on a website and provide them upon request after emailing them to all Board members for additions and corrections.
PamelaM5 (Florida)
Posts: 85
Posted:
I put my unapproved minutes on our website as soon as they're written - but first every board member reads them for accuracy so there's never anything questionable or that's going to be disputed at the next meeting. If something has to be changed I do it before it goes up at all, but since I tape the meeting it's rare that something is incorrect.

It works for us.
BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
Posted:
I do almost the same as Pamela, but I don't tape the meetings.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
It seems to me that the last couple of posters should read the earlier replies by Don, Glen, James, Janet & me.

Minutes may only be amended/corrected and approved at duly noticed board meetings, not online. I suppose it could work online but that would be an action without a meeting and it requires unanimous written (email's OK) consent from all directors. So after the corrections are made, all would have to give written consent. The action without a meeting would need to be noted at the next scheduled board meeting.

As prez, I summarize the board's major decisions, and/or decisions that'll interest H/O's in our monthly newsletter, which is published about 10 days after the monthly board meeting.

I'm curious though: Why distribute the draft minutes right after a meeting? None of our 200+unit H/O's clamor to see them. I assume that H/O's here who attend are sometimes asked by those who didn't if "anything interesting happened?" Or are asked about a particular agenda item. Ditto, H/O's can ask our onsite PM or assist. PM.

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