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AnnD2 (Connecticut)
Posts: 76
Posted:
I'm at my wit's end. After nearly 30 years in the same condo and much frustration over incompetence by boards and management companies, I decided a few years ago to stop complaining and actually try to sort things out. Suffice it to say, I've tried everything short of suing and nothing has worked. Not long ago the laws changed in our state to allow for more accountability and transparency from the boards. I thought that might help, but that didn't result in any change, because there is no enforcement element in these laws.

I actually confronted our president at the last meeting and asked him why he won't follow the law. He didn't deny that he wasn't acting lawfully. Rather, he said that he couldn't be bothered. This is a volunteer job and he isn't willing to put in more time than he already is devoting to learn how to do things properly. He said that he thought if people actually had to be educated about how to run boards and follow the law, no one would serve on them.

There are not two standards: one for volunteer work and one for paid work--or at least I don't make a distinction. Having said that, I now understand why there are so many problems with this lifestyle. It takes a lot of time, effort and commitment to the truth and fair-play to serve on a board.

The notion that "the community" will remove people from boards is ridiculous. Those people are afraid someone will say to them, "If you don't like what I'm doing, then you should serve." The incompetent just keep their jobs and make things miserable for the rest of us. So, now I have to get a lawyer, because the board refuses to follow the law and the membership is passive....
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Wow...your on the prespice of understanding the quandry's of HOA living. Your almost there! I don't get where people expect a stay at home mom who helps her kid sell Girl Scout Cookies is supposed to be knowledgeable on how to run a non-profit corporation. Plus to mix that with all the other walks of life, and you got chaos. The "Smart ones" who do really know the laws and how to run a business won't go near a HOA unless something is in it for them. Which then lends to all sorts of "conspiracy theorys". When in fact they know what they are doing.

You can't win for losing in a HOA. To expect professionalism and knowledge by people who are flying by the seat of their pants is a bit much in my opinion. My question is what should I expect from YOU? Whatever that answer is...is the answer you should expect in others.

Besides "illegal" in HOA context is different than the real world. Illegal in the HOA is doing things against the written rules of the HOA. It's punishable WITHIN the HOA. However, "Illegal" that breaks actual city, county, and Federal laws supercede HOA rules. They are punishable by jail/prison. HOA illegal is punishable by taking away amenities, levying fines, or inacting liens/foreclosure on an owner.

Former HOA President
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Towns and cities have a hard enough time getting competent people and they PAY them. Associations have volunteers. Sometimes you get lucky and have someone competent, most of the time not.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Say, Ann: How many units in your HOA? Condos, houses? What size is the board? Is your PM onsite, offsite or is your HOA part of a MC portfolio?

What laws are the board breaking? HOA meeting laws? Election laws? Giving you access to records?

If you round up some owners who agree with you, you can get good people on the board! We did though it took two election cycles to get a majority (board of 7). And everything is so much better!! It's true that only 2 of us are kinda condo doc & condo law wonks, but we also have a treasurer now who works very hard for the HOA. Another is very good at contract details & negotiations. We also have an xlnt. PM.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi Ann:

Your President if he ran for office and was elected he needs to insure he is bothered otherwise he could be potentially violating his fiduciary duty with regards to the association. I suggest he check on the HOA insurance, because violation of fiduciary duty in many instances is not covered by insurance and can make the member personally responsible if a lawsuit is filed.

However I have to disagree with your following statement:

"The notion that "the community" will remove people from boards is ridiculous. Those people are afraid someone will say to them, "If you don't like what I'm doing, then you should serve." The incompetent just keep their jobs and make things miserable for the rest of us. So, now I have to get a lawyer, because the board refuses to follow the law and the membership is passive...."

If people on the board are not fulfilling their duty they should potentially be removed to protect the association and property owners. Also, if you do not like what they are doing … you have the right and obligation to serve. In essence, if you purchase in an HOA you should be willing to step up to the plate to serve if needed to insure your property and other property owner’s rights are protected via your documents and the state statutes.

If they make things miserable for you and the rest of your association it is because you have potentially allowed the actions. You do not necessarily need an attorney … you and the other homeowner’s just need to potentially be more involved and take control.

AnnD2 (Connecticut)
Posts: 76
Posted:
They are violating state law and our documents. I think it is a societal thing. Haven't you noticed how acceptable lying has become, when not so very long ago to lie was seen as being very wrong. Narcissism is on the rise and with it a certain acceptance of outrageous and boorish behavior. If I had accused previous boards of being unlawful, they would have defended themselves. This guy feels he is entitled to do as he pleases and we should be glad to have him around. He is one of the anointed special people we grown ups have to try to work around.

I have tried in the past to remove someone from our board. It was seen as being too aggressive, and there was a backlash against me for trying even though most people agreed with me that the individual involved was doing a bad job. (I think a lot of people let others off the hook, as insurance against a time when they might be held accountable....) In small condos like mine the politics are one-on-one. Few people--especially the elderly--are likely to take on board members.

Our board also has controlled the nomination and election process for years, so when I tried to run for the board they effectively shut me out. Theory versus reality....there is a huge difference; and the reality is that HOA's should work, but too many don't--especially in states where there is not place for owners to go to get help with their disputes or to hold boards and management companies accountable.

It is a dreadful situation. I am constantly anxious and suffer from nightmares every night. I wish I could leave, but I can't....
AvanD1 (California)
Posts: 22
Posted:
Hi Ann. What type of court action do you plan to take? Can the issue be tried in Small Claims Court?
AnnD2 (Connecticut)
Posts: 76
Posted:
My attorney and I are looking at all of the options. Small Claims certainly is one that would be applicable, since money was spent without appropriate notification and approval. I have been advised by a CAI attorney, actually, that my board is personally liable for several things....I just hate having to go down that path.

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